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What I am arguing is that "marsh mongoose" is the common name of the genus as well as the species; thus, the article is in a way still at the genus name, even though "marsh mongoose" does not redirect to "Atilax". That default is established in the naming of scores of pages on
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Of the genus, to be precise. The species probably has no true common name, though I'm sure someone produced "Taiva Shrew Tenrec" or something like that. I've clarified a little.
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