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764:, they're part of a new "SuperGirl" (my own term, NOT a technical one!) generation largely due to the cult following of the show. Most Mainland artists started in the late 90s, so they got a late start. By that time, Taiwanese juggernauts like Sky Wu, Zhang Yu, Harlem Yu (of Meteor Garden fame) and Shunza were in complete control of the Mandarin music market. Don't forget the fact that a lot of HK singers are, in fact, from the Mainland. Names that come into mind are Faye Wong and Leon Lai. So...I'd say that Mainland China does have some influence, just not as much as their Taiwanese counterparts. 187: 692:
about Taiwanese pop music. I'm trying to stay neutral here, but in disputes, it always helps to actually have some sources. Are there actually news or magazine articles that use this term? It's fine that you may know a lot of people who know what "Tai-pop" is, but personally, this is the first time I've ever heard of this term, and nearly all the Chinese people I know lived outside of Taiwan during the height of martial law. Anecdotal evidence doesn't move the dispute along anywhere.
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I'm not trying to use the number of Google hits to establish a term as "common" or not. I'm saying that, at least at a quick glance, I didn't find any reliable sources to confirm that this term is used to refer to Taiwanese pop music. Most of the Google hits on "Tai-pop" or "Taipop" don't even talk
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To my knowledge, and to Google's knowledge, no one outside of Benjwong's inner circle uses Tai-pop to mean "Mandarin pop originating from Taiwan." I did a quick Google search, and heck, I even added identifiers to make sure we weren't confusing Tai-pop with "Gang Tai Pop." How many results did I get?
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The reason why there is no Mandopop is that other countries such as China or Hong Kong do not have their distinct genre of music. There is no C-pop or HK-pop because the people in China just listen to Taiwanese pop. This is a fact. Most Chinese people listen to the Taiwanese artists rather than their
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Well, Taiwanese language pop still more or less invisible outside of Taiwan because of the residual effects of the Taiwanese language ban. Yes, I am fully aware that the ban is lifted now, but I'm just saying that it's going to take a long time for Taiwanese pop (not Mandopop) to recover, especially
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However, by putting Taiwanese pop into Mandopop without giving it a separate genre is very unfair and ignorant to the Taiwanese musicians. Have you not noticed that this article essentially is describing the Taiwanese styled music? Taiwanese style music has become the mainstream of Mandarin language
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Unless I missed something. Both Faye Wong and Leon were marketed and launched 100% in HK. It's not where you are born, but where you become a "commercial" success. The mainland is in a special situation now. They are making these artificial supergirl contest forcefully to catch up to taiwan and
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I am not sure mainland has done anything for the Mandopop industry in the last 50 years. You might want to read up on Anita mui and the many artist performances censored in the mainland for being too sexy and rebellious. Supergirl is a "national" contest to prove there are great singers in China.
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was phased out to the point that it was invisible outside of Taiwan. So names like taiwan pop, tai-pop, gantai pop were all available to describe the only genre exported out of Taiwan (mandopop). I have asked around and these conventions are used by non-Taiwanese natives well before repromotion of
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to see my contributions from awhile back. You are practically assuming I know nothing about the subject which is funny. I'll leave it out for now, because you seem quite positive everyone on the planet outside my circle calls Taiwanese pop correctly and mandopop correctly. We could sure use your
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This article should actually be either renamed to "Taiwanese pop" or create another article describing "Taiwanese pop". Because nobody has even heard of Mandopop. There is no such thing. If you think Taiwanese pop is sung in Mandarin, and therefore it's Mandopop not Taiwanese pop, that's wrong as
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pop enough to create an article about it. I'm just saying that you can't use "Tai-pop" to define Mandopop that is located on the island of Taiwan. Jay Chou is in Mandopop. An artist that sings in the Min Nan language and lives in Taiwan will be classified as Taiwanese pop, as you said. But what
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Because many singers are from Taiwan sing in both languages. Perhaps there should be a page for Hokkien pop, but it should be called Taiwanese pop, because most of it is from Taiwan. The only singer outside of Taiwan who sings in Taiwanese (or Hokkien) is Eric Moo from Malaysia.
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you're saying with the sentence "It is also called Tai-pop as a slang term" is that Tai-pop = Mandopop in Taiwan, which is false. Mandopop in Taiwan is Mandopop. Mandopop in Mainland China is also Mandopop. BTW, my expertise is in the late 90s to present, thank you very much.
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The lyrics section is absurd and is only expressing someone's personal opinion or rather a disgust towards the mainland Chinese - simplified characters and Northern accent. I think it should be removed or replaced with a more neutral info.
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I am wondering why there are so few contributors for this topic. That goes for zh.wikipedia also. The Taiwan music scene is so big, it doesn't do them any justice. Maybe the Music of China template is scaring people away?
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well. If I sing a song in Korean here, does that make it K-pop? If I sing a Japanese song, does that mean J-pop? No. Because the XXX pop just merely represents the style of the music not the language itself.
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even exist. We are making such a hard-and-fast rule with google, it is scary. At the least I agree with Pandacomics going forward, it is the right thing to do with the re-arrival of taiwanese pop.
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They sing other people's song. When they market bad-ass songs, and the communist party approves it, then I'll be shocked. Until then 台灣歌 Taiwan pop, taiwan song goes hand in hand with mandopop.
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Just talk to anyone who lived outside of Taiwan at the height of the martial law. Ask them "What is Tai-pop/Taiwan pop". I guarantee you 99% will make a reference to mandopop without knowing
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Tai-pop would be a convenient contraction to distinguish Taiwanese artists but is unfortunately marred by the same pronunciation as Thai-pop. Note that Google Search lists a precedence for
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This article was proposed for deletion. I deprodded it, but can someone familiar with the genre and language try sourcing the article? Her website has copies of press articles.
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Not in the last 50 years, true, but again, you can't discount the amount of progress that the mainland is making in the Mandopop industry. The mainland duo,
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Unfortunately we may not have many mainland Chinese contributors who could write up more about mandopop in mainland China. I, for example like
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own. And by deliberately generalizing Taiwanese pop into a sub genre of Chinese pop makes me doubt there is some political meaning in this.
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Very true. Mandopop is the correct and official name everywhere "today". But please consider the historical context that at one time
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pop nowadays. The "Taiwanese pop" doesn't mean it is sung in Hokkien Chinese, but rather, just Mandarin songs in Taiwanese style.
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Can someone tell me which term is the more popular for mandopop? (台灣歌, taiwan song) or (國語歌, mandarin song).
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Perhaps there should be separate Taiwanese pop page. After all, Taiwanese are well represented overseas...
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with the Mandarin language as the predominant form. Picking a reference at random from Google Search:
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Do we have any reliable sources specifically to back up that "Tai-pop" was or is a commonly used term?
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I am not assuming you know nothing about the subject, because clearly you know enough about Taiwanese
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won an award at Hong Kong's Mandarin Music Awards. Neither of them are censored. In fact, along with
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Why does half of this page talk about Hokkien pop, this is suppose to be a page about Mandopop
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in light of how fast Mandopop is growing (to areas like Malaysia and Singapore, for example).
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A search on Google shows a puny 842 pages on "Mandopop". I listen to Mandarin pop, I have
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Well, considering Mainland China contributes a fair amount to the Mandopop industry (e.g.
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referring to Thailand and not Taiwan, interestingly there are minimal references for
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1989. I would say 50 years from now, people might be displeased with the word
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is obviously a much better alternative for this virtually non-existent term.
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too? I guess I was interested in the historical context when I wrote it.
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expertise for the 60s and 90s era though. Feel free to contribute.
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HK. The real/natural/un-government sponsored market is visible at
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WikiProjects
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Music/Music genres task force
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Music portal
Mandopop
Music genres task force of the Music project
music genre
guidelines
assess and improve
good article status
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China
Entertainment
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China portal
WikiProject China
China
the discussion
High
project's importance scale
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the Chinese-language entertainment taskforce
High-importance
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Taiwan
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Taiwan portal

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