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Beyond the use of terminology like "exposed" to describe pastors with no outspoken stance on abortion, or the pitting against of concepts like "psychobabble" and the Bible (the implication being that
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It was in a lot of papers at the time -- he said he opposed the McCain candidacy because it was the equivalent of the "religion of Zeus". Frankly, I wonder how many times Olasky has received mentions in "ordinary" newspapers (i.e. not the New York Times or the
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