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source material for his life was in Dutch, made him unappealing to anglophone historians. Mary proved still less engaging. What sort of narrative heroine could be made from a woman whose short life was so conspicuously virtuous — apart from her quarrel with Anne and the
Marlboroughs, where there were faults on both sides — and whose anguished Protestant piety precluded any sort of scandal? This was indeed the problem with England's sovereign double act — not enough high-end gossip and sleaze. Their reign effectively killed off the world of the Restoration, with its duels and debauches, its gropers and fumblers, whores and orange-wenches, clap-doctors, cuckolds, rogues and bullies. Part of the trouble with William and Mary, for succeeding generations, has been that they were too seriously respectable. He was his wife's only love and she had no interest in dalliance or casual flirtation. Hard evidence is lacking, meanwhile, for William's supposed sodomy with Bentinck and Keppel, while Elizabeth Villiers always played things cool as a royal attachment, never seeking to embarrass the king or upstage the queen. (p. 72-73)
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I don't think any of that content can be cut. The date of her funeral, the date of her death in the article body, her care in ensuring the safety of others, and the attempted reconciliation with her sister are not fluffy and are directly relevant. Short sections and short, stubby paragraphs should be
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What you are making a big deal of is something that can be resolved with a hatnote. Maria II of
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cram it with details like how the doctors also diagnosed Erysipelas in addition to measles, or quote Mary's writing a bunch and her request to have the funeral be low-key, or other stuff, then Chapman would be handy. But as noted, it would be a fairly significant style shift.
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In terms of the removal of content, a lot of the stuff about her death seemed a bit fluffy and not very relevant. Happy to explore adding this content back in if we can tighten it up a bit, but I would like to add back the other changes I made. Let me know what you think.
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being decommissioned or the woman dying? Speaking of Google results, when I search Queen Mary II I get results about the deceased monarch. When I search Queen Mary 2 I get results about the ship. Anyway, you made your point and I made mine. We are walking into
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did bring forth some unique elements to the line of succession. Although Anne is still part of the list - I guess in some way, this discussion affects her too - Mary II is not. I was wondering if Mary II counts as an example of an heir apparent or not?
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