Talk:Meher Baba - Knowledge (XXG)

2449:'These lies and accusations invite repudiation. I am not a Baba Follower. I am NOT a devotee or Baba lover. I am a critic of the Meher Baba movement, with an angle on the figurehead seeking to ascertain context and history. I do not live in the same territory as the Follower editor attempting to place me in the same category as himself. I am not any kind of acquaintance of the misleading Knowledge (XXG) entity Nemonoman. In the last few years, three of my books have been published by a reputable and long-term Indian publisher in New Delhi (well known from China to Turkey and beyond). Sterling are desiring to know why they have been downgraded by Knowledge (XXG) bias. Over the past ten years, many observers have seen that, in relation to the 1939:, which isn't cited. And this is just from the first two pages of google scholar, and from clicking through to a couple of bibliographies. If I can find these, in about ten minutes, there's certainly more. A good place to look would be encyclopedias of religion; another good place would be to see what these sources cite, and to follow any relevant links. There's also a Britannica entry that has only been used once. These are the sources the article needs to be built from; non-independent sources should be used to fill in the gaps, where they are used at all. I understand that scholarly sources are harder to get hold of, but 3916:

Baba. I have stayed away from these articles for seven years, and have no intention of returning as an editor. I am satisfied that I have done my best to supply accurate information for future editors, should the issue of Shepherd as a source be raised. That may not happen again, if the partisan editors either cease editing altogether or at least refrain from allowing their biases to interfere with their editing. I have also commented on the Upasni Maharaj talk page, with a link back to here. I don't think I have anything else to say, so perhaps your red flags will disappear now!

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standard was a bias against the author referred to by Vanamonde above (Kevin Shepherd), a bias originating in events outside Knowledge (XXG) but affecting several of the regular editors of the Meher Baba group of articles. These editors, who were all 'partisans' of the Meher Baba 'movement' (for want of a better term) had been influenced by misinformation about Shepherd that had become entrenched, in the US in particular. It was probably compounded by Shepherd's criticism of some of the revered authority figures in the 'movement', although not of Meher Baba himself.

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contention was that according to the policies and guidelines, the sources should stand together or fall together. I recognised that there was a case to be made for the inclusion of Kalchuri and the other sources, but there was also a case to be made for the inclusion of Shepherd. The partisan editors, however, opted for a generous interpretation of policies and guidelines in relation to their preferred sources, while supporting an ungenerous application of the same policies and guidelines that had been made in the case of Shepherd.

3422:, a specialist in bibliographic matters, modified his initial critical surface assessment when he investigated Shepherd’s books and websites, subsequently stating that Shepherd’s books were in an ‘intermediate’ category, neither academic nor popular, but ‘considerably more acceptable than many of the other sources in the article’. The context was the ‘Upasni Maharaj’ article, but DGG was referring to the positive comments of Dr Marianne Warren, in her own biography of Shirdi Sai, on Shepherd’s 575: 2227:

completely missed the first one. Also I don't every follow my watchlist. I think the other editors may be in similar mode. Also (b) I personally agree that a GAR of this article is warranted, but not for the reasons you state, and I don't have the energy to start my own GAR war or completely rewrite to my satisfaction. But I'm a big believer in making WP as good as it can be. I know this subject, you have reasonable opinions; let's work together and make things better.

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Thank you, Vanamonde. I'm not sure where I gave the impression that I was arguing that independent sources shouldn't be used. I am certainly not arguing that. My only concern is to make available some relevant information, especially given the history of partisan editing of articles relating to Meher

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My argument was straightforward enough: if Shepherd was considered to be an unreliable source, then so should most of the sources used in this group of articles; if the other sources were considered reliable, then so was Shepherd. This was based entirely on Knowledge (XXG) policies and guidelines. My

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In general I agree, but since this is YOUR GAR because you don't like what you saw, and since you provided clear and apt descriptions of needed corrections to style and grammar above, may I ask for your guidance here? Please give me a clue as to how many quotes are acceptable before crossing the line

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The article overuses quotes, and specifically overuses affiliated sources to discuss Meher Baba's teachings. If there's one area in which independent sources are likely to be found, it is in such analysis; we should make use of them. A quick search uncovered several scholarly sources and at least one

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Kerkhove, Raymond (2002). ‘Authority and Egolessness in the Emergence and Impact of Meher Baba (1894–1969)’, a dissertation presented to The School, of History, Philosophy, Religion and Classics, in fulfilment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in the area of the Study of New

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In general, quotes should only be used when a paraphrasing wouldn't convey the same meaning. For instance, the first large quote has a few sentences that would be difficult to paraphrase. The last three, on the other hand, could be dropped entirely without much loss. If you're using blockquotes, I'd

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Once the Silence Day AFD is settled -- god I hate those debates -- I will try to look in on weekends to see progress. If you don't mind slow and steady, I'd be glad if we can improve this article to Keep GA standards. One reason I got into the GA process was that it helped to deal with the constant

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I'm impressed by your sources, thanks very much. I think WBG told me that he could access JSTOR. If you can help with access I would appreciate. I don't speak Dutch or Italian, but if there are online versions, of those books, I'd appreciate help. Some (e.g., the one on the Hari Krishnas) look like

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This article has essentially never had a full GA review, and has also deteriorated from the time that it received the minimal scrutiny that it did. There are significant issues with the prose and with verifiability that I will list below. I'm happy to allow anyone who is interested in fixing it the

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I see that there has been discussion about the reliability of sources. Just to say that I'm adding some content and referencing sources which as far as I can tell are reliable and independent. I'm happy to be corrected if mistaken; I just want to improve the article, and not looking to step on any

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The fact that you are putting this much effort into advocating for Shepherd as a source is throwing up red flags for me. Nemenomon, or someone, needs to rewrite the article with independent sources. Shepherd is a possible source. There are others. These arguments are good to have if someone starts

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read through those GARs before starting this one. They don't count for too much in my book, because a) the prose has changed significantly, and b) Knowledge (XXG) conventions have changed significantly. We are far more demanding with respect to sourcing now then we were in the "good old days" more

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Where do you see that? In any case; the fact remains that we need independent sources. If this isn't one, others need to be found. The substance of an article, and particularly the pieces that are analyzing his teachings, cannot be based on writings that have a close connection to their subject.

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Shepherd himself doesn't seem concerned with whether he is represented on Knowledge (XXG). He is, however, clearly concerned with accuracy of reporting and with countering misinformation. To that end he has supplied a lot of information online about the causes of the above-mentioned bias. Most

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I'm not going to repeat the case I made for including Shepherd in 2012, but I would like to draw attention to changed circumstances that are relevant to the discussion here. First, Shepherd’s last three books (one on Hazrat Babajan and two on Shirdi Sai Baba) have been published by a reputable

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It's been seven years since I raised the issue of reliability of sources in this article, a discussion that now forms part of Archives 12 and 13. It wasn't my intention to have any of those sources removed, but rather to draw attention to a double standard in evidence. The cause of the double

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Well, I hope (a) that you won't mind that I point this out to some of principal editors. I for one edit very occasionally these days and rarely even log in. I was doing some research on Second Temple Judaism and logged in to fix a spelling error, and happened to see the AFD for Silence Day. I

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Have you been able to find the time to work on this? I'm happy to keep this open for a reasonable, specific, period of time; but keeping it open indefinitely is rather pointless. Also, I don't think much purpose is served by my reviewing the prose before the source problems have been fixed.

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article, the Knowledge (XXG) phrase Neutral Point of View is a Total Fiction. Abuse of living authors is beyond tolerance. Knowledge (XXG) talkpages (and User pages) can deride and misrepresent living authors without any due citation from their books or websites. Legal recourse may be more

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talkpage, 17/09/2019). The pseudonymous front man for Dazedbythebell evidently believed his ruse would serve to disqualify the "Iranian" book, which he is effectively presenting as a devotee contribution. That book, declaredly non-sectarian, has been suppressed for ten years by the devotee

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No one agrees with this more heartily than me. In my experience however, practically every independent source that can be found has already been included. Meher Baba is quoted fairly extensively on the web, but there are few scholarly critiques or analyses by non-Baba affiliated persons.

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The article relies far too heavily on sources connected to Meher Baba. By a rough count, nearly 90 of the 130 citations are to sources that have a close connection to Meher Baba. There may be more; These are only counting Kalchuri, Purdom, Awakener magazine, and Meher Baba himself. While

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I first saw this GAR 1 week ago exactly and have done some work on your points. As I have a life, and am facing numerous time constraints after a short lull, I would very much appreciate at least 21 days to deal with your concerns, many of which I feel are valid and deserve some effort.

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There are a number of issues with the prose. Enumerating all them is something I will only do if this becomes contentious, but essentially, there are issues both with clarity and with neutrality; the article verges on the hagiographic. Examples include the following:

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Shepherd lives a few miles away from me. We are acquaintances, not friends. He was a helpful source about Mogul-period Islam for my historical novels, which have been translated into 8 languages...which is fortunate because in English they sold a total of about 11

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topics that genuinely lack any substantive independent coverage beyond the bare bones; and those articles will never make it to the GA level. It isn't possible to write a GA about every topic, and the state of the sourcing is usually a major determining factor.

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No, because it's generally a safe assumption that an editor who has contributed substantially to a page has watchlisted it. Posting to the talk page is quite sufficient. Besides, I've explicitly offered to give interested editors as much time as they ask for.

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Feel free to contact whomever you please; this isn't a community GAR, and therefore there are no canvassing concerns, so long as it's clear that people are being invited to fix the article and not to badger the reviewer (which has happened, elsewhere).

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say not more than a couple; and maybe a handful more brief ones. If they're quotes from independent sources, a few more would be okay; but quoting isn't a substitute for writing prose, and that seems to have happened in a few places here.

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Just brought back the burial site article, it seems an important article in the Knowledge (XXG) Meher collection. If the other two bold moves are controversial you are free to revert. Another seemingly important page to the collection is

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is a good place to look (I can help out myself with a couple of these, TWL gives me Project MUSE). More generally, the lack of good source material can never be a reason to promote an article using sub-par sources to GA. There

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Kerkhove, Raymond (2003). ‘Multi-faith Invisibility – The Case of Meher Baba (1894–1969)’, paper presented at the Annual Conference of AASR (Australian Association for Study of Religions), Griffith University (Brisbane), July

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from Time Magazine. I don't have access to old newspaper databases, but there are others who do; these will certainly yield more sources, probably including some longer profiles. I'm not going to do all the searching, though.

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Neutrality may be an issue. We did the verifiability debate at great length in earlier GARs. You might enjoy having a look at those. The sources, even those particularly favorable to MB fall entirely within the guidelines of

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recently he has added a new section to a pre-existing article about Meher Baba, which is a statement of his position in relation to the events of 2012 and since. The following four paragraphs mention the discussion above:

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Overall, this clearly does not match up to the GA standards. I'm willing to keep this on hold for a week to see if anyone is interested in rescuing it. If they are, I am happy to give them more time as needed.

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and specifically overuses affiliated sources to discuss Meher Baba's teachings.If there's one area in which independent sources are likely to be found, it is in such analysis; we should make use of them.

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challenging the use of Shepherd, but arguing that we shouldn't use independent sources isn't going to fly, because this is an individual review and I am firm on that point. So give this a rest.

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talkpage, 17/09/2019). The administrator Vanamonde duly queried this assertion, urging that independent sources were needed. The approach of Vanamonde seems very reasonable to me.

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is an interesting read, as to the broader locus of the capacity of sociologists to objectively interpret and critique any new religious cult, with which they sympathize.

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22, 475–96; cited on pages 476 note 2 (refers to Shepherd as one of three ‘Western scholars’, along with Rigopoulos and Warren), 477, 478, 491 text and note 20.

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they might have some passing ref to Meher Baba -- is including something like that really going to change your opinions about this article in toto? --

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If he is just a generic believer, and not an immediate disciple, then he's still far superior as a source than many of those already in the article.

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Given the absence of further respose, 24 days from the request for 3 extra weeks and a full month after the review was opened, I am closing this as

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In addition to concerns listed below, if a notes-bibliography format is being used, the two should be linked via sfn formatting or the equivalent.

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Thank you; these are certainly good arguments for using Shepherd as a source about a niche domain, shall the usage be challenged. But not of an

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I have used a number of these excellent sources, to which I wanted to add the following, which dedicates a chapter to Meher Baba's cosmology:

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Some Philosophical Critiques and Appraisals: An Investigation of Perennial Philosophy, Cults, Occultism, Psychotherapy, and Postmodernism

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The Pinball Wizard and the Miracle Cure: Reflections on Tommy (1969), Meher Baba, and the Post-Psychedelic Spirituality of Pete Townshend

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Shinde, Kiran A. and Andrea Marion Pinkney (2013). ‘Shirdi in Transition: Guru Devotion, Urbanisation and Regional Pluralism in India’,

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Yeah, I looked a bit closer, he isn't great. That said, he is at least an independent SPS, rather than a closely affiliated SPS. So...

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Jonathan Loar, PhD candidate at Emory University in the Graduate Division of Religion’s ‘West and South Asian Religions’ course

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Loar, Jonathan (2018). ‘From Neither/Nor to Both/And: Reconfiguring the Life and Legacy of Shirdi Sai Baba in Hagiography’,

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manipulators on Knowledge (XXG). The preface states that I "do not choose to propagandise in any way for the movement" (

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non-independent sources aren't verboten, relying on them so heavily is a problem for verifiability and neutrality.

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The burial shrine page was deleted again and I brought it back and there's been some grumbling, so I opened up a

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https://research-information.bristol.ac.uk/en/persons/sumita-mukherjee(eb18700a-8193-4d4e-9e8c-7d364dac5f0c).html

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I beg to differ. There are quite a few; I've listed five above, together with the encyclopedia britannica entry.

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article noted the existence of an independent and relevant source not mentioned in the article. This source was

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Mukherjee, Sumita (2017). ‘Indian Messiah: The Attraction of Meher Baba to British Audiences in the 1930s’,

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The following list of citations is not exhaustive, but indicative of serious academic interest in Shepherd.

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You forgot to mention that several others had been deleted at AfD recently or are up for deletion, such as

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Srinivas, Smriti (1999). ‘The Brahmin and the Fakir: Suburban Religiosity in the Cult of Shirdi Sai Baba’,

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New Religious Movements in the United States and Canada: A Critical Assessment and Annotated Bibliography

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problem of reverting blanking and vandalism done by -- well let's just say "aggressive non-cultists." --

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Elison, William (2014). ‘Sai Baba of Bombay – A Saint, His Icon, and the Urban Geography of Darshan’,

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A long list of reliable sources covering the subject; might be used if people are interested enough.

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have you out of courtesy contacted even one of the main authors of this article? Just asking. --

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Quite an egregious sentence for the lead of a GA; implies that he taught people to reincarnate.

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A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with

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time to do so, but based on a quick look, that is going to involve a very substantial rewrite.

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Winged Faith: Rethinking Globalisation and Religious Pluralism Through the Sathya Sai Movement

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Like I said, t there are few scholarly critiques or analyses by non-Baba affiliated persons.--

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were all redirected by one editor without discussion. Is this how Knowledge (XXG) works now?

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New gods in America: an informal investigation into the new religions of American youth today

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https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:DGG/Archive_37_Feb._2010#Simon_Kidd_&_Kevin_Shepherd

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Practical Spirituality and Human Development: Creative Experiments for Alternative Futures

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I have amended the text to address these issues. These comments improved the article --

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It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

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https://qldhistorians.org.au/consultants-register/business-directory/870/ray-kerkhove

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Gurus Rediscovered: Biographies of Sai Baba of Shirdi and Upasni Maharaj of Sakori

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In the Presence of Sai Baba: Body, City, and Memory in a Global Religious Movement

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Gurus Rediscovered: Biographies of Sai Baba of Shirdi and Upasni Maharaj of Sakori

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Anthony, Dick; Robbins, Thomas; Doucas, Madeline; Curtis, Thomas E. (2016-07-27).

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Inscribing South Asian Muslim Women: An Annotated Bibliography and Research Guide

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In "early life", this is out of place; there's a whole section for it afterwards.

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Meaning in Anthropos: Anthropography as an Interdisciplinary Science of Culture

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Religious Movements at the University of Queensland, Brisbane, 31 July 2002.

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Islam and the Army in Colonial India: Sepoy Religion and the Service of Empire

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Religious Movements at the University of Queensland, Brisbane, 31 July 2002.

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Religious Movements at the University of Queensland, Brisbane, 31 July 2002.

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which has been nominated for deletion and is well into its relisting period.

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A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

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Transcendent in America: Hindu-Inspired Meditation Movements as New Religion

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Gurus, swamis, and avataras: spiritual masters and their American disciples

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into overuse. Also please identify specific quotes that seem extraneous.

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It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing

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Boisvert, Kate Grayson, 1943- (2008). "The Cosmology of Meher Baba".

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It's been three weeks; have you been able to make any progress?

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The Afterlife of Sai Baba: Competing Visions of a Global Saint

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