Talk:Melody (Japanese singer)

113: 95: 3746:), mostly (and certainly during her notability period) a permanent resident of Japan, notable for singing in Japanese as well as English and almost entirely (in both cases) for the Japanese music market, and of Japanese heritage on both sides of her family, and married to a Japanese man in Japan and raising their Japanese children there (who absorbed so little English she started an educational music project to help them), makes her very clearly Japanese as a matter of 413: 382: 752: 2311:. It suggests that there may be a problem when "your comments take up 50% of the text" or "the person replies to every single '!vote' or comment, arguing against that particular person's point of view". I think you've met those criteria. I previously suggested that you "try to take a step back in this discussion and try not to feel like you need to respond to every comment made by anyone else", and I now repeat that suggestion. — 780: 3845:) and was likely never a permanent resident of Japan because of how Japanese immigration law works. To that extent, the comment above is probably too hard on the editors who were making a good-faith effort to determine an appropriate title. But the conversation here has not resulted in any new insights, so it doesn't seem like the article should be moved. In fact, I recall being involved in a similar discussion related to 594: 868: 249: 978: 850: 525: 298: 277: 187: 163: 64: 308: 2902:

RayVaughan, when sources say otherwise, because they're so set on what someone said once on a Japanese website and their bad translation thereof, but we cannot prove that this is her name because she has not said it is her name. All we know about the subject of this article is that her name is now "Melody Ishihara" and there has been no proof that it was ever "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa".—

543: 2078:– an individual author who primarily published using the stylization "e. e. cummings". Incidentally, I suggest that you try to take a step back in this discussion and try not to feel like you need to respond to every comment made by anyone else. Personally, I'm going to try to step away for a while, as I think I have adequately expressed my current thinking on the subject. — 423: 3556:. I still think "Japanese-American" is about the best disambiguator that could be asked for - it's accurate and descriptive. She isn't a Japanese singer, so the current title strikes me as highly misleading. That said, if both Japanese-American and American are disfavored, there is still a better option than "born 1982" - just use her full name, 197: 1800:"Melody Ishikawa" cannot be reliably sourced. The prevalence of "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" on the internet is a result of her fans not caring that her name is not public, particularly on IMDB which is a user created website (LucyWho is questionable). Also, on Twitter and Myspace her name is her married name "Melody Ishi 3804:

is an OR landmine lurking under that groundcover. (That's before we even consider things like whether celebrities with expensive lawyers and perhaps some diplomatic connections can get exceptions made for them and not tell the press about it, and so on and so forth.) I think the furthest we should go is doing a

1806:", which is not the name she used professionally. I would support "Melody (Japanese singer)" (without the fullstop) as the page title, but there is still no reason to institute a double standard where we have "will.i.am" as a suitable article title. The only reason "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" was even used was 3778:

Japanese American (or American Japanese), as her lead indicates just like Melody's does. Everything about Utada, too, as a notable subject is tied firmly to Japan, even despite having left Japan to record (rather unsuccessfully) for a short stint in the US again. But her infobox and lead and article

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that say "melody., real name Miyuki Ishikawa..." in English or Japanese. The only thing there is online is an unnecessary flooding of search results based on a 3 year old decision on Knowledge and the fact that everybody and their mother knows this is her name, but we cannot verify it, much like with

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of those sources can be considered reliable sources. IMDB and Generasia are both user-edited websites, much like Knowledge, and LucyWho and Korea.com seem dubious at best, as does the "Disc-o-graphy" page. It may be an open secret that that is her full name but there are no reliable sources out there

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I suggest not jumping to the conclusion that anti-Japan bias is the explanation for the resistance to using the artist's stylized name. Not all non-Japanese artists that use stylized names have that styling duplicated in Knowledge article titles. A few do, but some do not. I suspect that most of them

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Actually we don't, if there are no reliable sources in English we can follow normal English MOS. メロディー likes to use "melody." in English languages materials in Japan, everyone gets that, but what the Viking says is absolutely correct; if メロディー ever got into the New York Times she'd be plain "Melody".

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As a musical artist she was known as "melody." for much longer though, and I don't see any reliable sources that say her birth name was ever "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" so it's a BLP to say that this is the truth when there are no sources to back it up. There are also many musical artists in Japan known

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use Twitter and MySpace as sources. (BTW, I don't care much for this guideline, despite its usefulness in this situation.) Her full name was never a secret, so it is not like there is a privacy issue. BLP is about material, "challenged or likely to be challenged." Using it to put odd punctuation in a

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I could live with that, though it runs the risk of failing on us if the singer becomes notable for one more than one style (which is probable if she remains in the US and returns to recording after the motherhood focus winds down, since there's pretty much no market for J-pop in the US). Then again,

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exists for and pertains to non-citizens (it's how a non-citizen stays in a country legally beyond a short-term tourism or work-project visa); Japanese immigration isn't markedly harder than many other places when it comes to long-term, non-citizen residency (articles I see say it has actually gotten

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citizenship of country A when dealing with dual-citizenship-hostile country B, e.g. by continuing to maintain a country-A passport (that country B is aware of). So, even with some sources we could find that weren't very legally specific or authoritative regarding Melody's status in particular, there

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Clarifying comment: I suppose any and all moves away from the current "Japanese singer" disambiguation, which is misleading and several respectable alternatives exist. So also support Melody Isihara, Melody. (J-Pop singer), etc. Japanese-American is both accurate and helpful to readers and remains

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In ictu oculi states that there was reasoning given on this page that because Mrs. Ishihara has not been mentioned by mainstream media in the United States (New York Times, etc.) at all that means that we cannot determine that lower casing is suitable and I don't believe that one bit. Why should the

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is entirely allowed. Why was this removed from the article following the move request? All it proved was that the community would absolutely not allow "Melody." to be the title of the page. There is no reason Mrs. Ishihara should be treated as differently and also be made an exception as these other

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There is a question because I cannot find it anywhere other than in the fansites and unofficial websites and the like. That's what makes it controversial. Just because it's apparently widely known does not mean we can verify it at all. We have a billion people saying Becky's full name is Rebecca Eri

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I'm sorry but I've shown that there are plenty of reliable sources that use "melody." to refer to Mrs. Ishihara's stage name in an English setting, including one that plainly states "it is written with a lower case M and a period". You just can't throw them all out just because "it's an eyesore" and

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Aside from all that, it's simply original research to try to guess at Melody's actual legal citizenship status, without very reliable and recent sources on it. For all we know, she may have renounced US citizenship to become a naturalized Japanese citizen, or whatever. Our only encyclopedic choice

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It might be worth asking her on Facebook or Twitter (the official ones, not the fan created ones). In the Metropolis interview, Christine says she is single, so some fans have added Saimo to Melody's name. I also have to question whether she has three siblings as she only really mentions Christine

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give the name this way as well. These are places where people who would know this type of information are active, yet no where is it suggested that her real name is secret, controversial, or otherwise dubious. Numerous Japanese sites give the Japanese version of this name (石川美由紀メロディ), for example

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Mrs. Ishihara's stage name is "melody." not "メロディー", so you can stop referring to her as such. And whether or not you like or dislike how western musical artists have their names stylized should not have any bearing on how this page should be formatted. Mrs. Ishihara is known as "melody." in all of

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Well I half sympathize but the reality is that if we had a Google Books source we wouldn't be having this RM. The extremely ugly and noisy will.i.am and kd lang get this treatment not because they aren't unencyclopaedic eyesores but because Google Books discuss them with these stylisms. メロディー just

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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page. If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the

1649:. And personal names are not subject to much of the manual of style requirements, and we have reliable sources that almost exclusively refer to her in English as "melody." with the fullstop, including her official profile which AngusWOOF posted below. This is more than enough to show that even if 3867:

Not what the article says, though: "Melody has three sisters: Christine Saimo, who goes by KURIS in the Japanese music industry and who also resides in Tokyo; and Harmony and Rhythmy, who live in the United States" (and how moved there from Japan – see original source). Also, the legal category

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So it can certainly be the name of an individual or band and still be a trademark. If a customer looks at an album cover, associates the name “melody.” with a certain style of performance, and then buys a product on that basis, that’s a trademark. From Knowledge’s point of view, the problem with

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I'm OK with J-pop but even then (Japanese singer) will still be a redirect. Her notability came mainly from J-pop. The children's career / album was a brief stint when her kids were babies/toddlers and has hardly any charting or music reviews. Sourcing came mainly from her own websites / social

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of the "trademark" owner use the stylized alternative and very few or none use the ordinary English capitalization convention. This article does not have a lot of referenced sources to show what reliable sources would use, so the ordinary Knowledge style guideline is applied. This has been said

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The Toy's Factory Japanese version lists Melody as her real name along with (メロディ). It does not specify her surname, although it has other information have publically shown her birthdate (some with month year and others with month day, year) and her birthplace (Hawaii). The rest of her profile

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citizen", if we come up with either official blog/Twitter statements by her about it, or statements repeated in reputably published interviews with her; then the veracity of the claim is on her, not on us. In the interim, just don't worry about it; WP has no requirement to try to get at legal

3523:, that would be far from her primary music genre. "Singer, born 1982" may be okay, but again, most of her work has been with Japan. The "Melody (Japanese singer)" would still be a redirect as there are no other Melody's to disambiguate. And there are a lot more American singers named Melody. 770: 2017:

I think that should depend on how universally the stylization is used in reliable sources. Knowledge generally tries not to use strange stylizations when they can be avoided, although exceptions exist if there seems to be no way to avoid it based on reliable sources. A directly comparable

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about her moving back to the US again is actually correct, and especially if she restarts her career here (to date, the entire extent of her notable career has been in Japan; she simply seems to have "retired to motherhood" in the US since 2014 due to husband's Hollywood movie

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I don't see why it shouldn't. Married name isn't necessary when it's not what's in reliable sources. "melody" (lower case) is in reliable sources, and because there are other musicians known as "Melody" that means a parenthetical is fine, although the current title suffices as

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seems to be missing some updated information (which probably accounts for the "who also resides in Tokyo" above), and b) it may not matter for this RM's purpose, since we still have Melody in Japan from ca. 2001–2014, the entire expanse of her notable career.

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the proposed and the current. Ambiguous recognized nationality. Both nations consider her to be associated with the other. No longer a singer, has been not a singer for longer than she was active, and has moved on to other notable things. Several other

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would not be at the titles they are now. This is a constant issue with Japanese artists on Knowledge and for the first time I have English language reliable sources that support a particular form so there is no reason "melody." should not be allowed (also

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I still do not see a reason to treat her name any different than those of non-Japanese artists who also have non-standard typography. It is a double standard to say that because she is from Japan her name should not be parsed the way it does in reliable

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I oppose any use of Miyuki as middle name as I have not found any sources to vet this. The ones I have seen on social media refer to earlier versions of this Knowledge article and that was never really sourced to anything on all these years.

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are the exceptions, not the rule. The reason they are exceptions is (presumably) that their stylization is supported by many English-language reliable sources (and a substantial number of vocal Wikipedians), not that they are not Japanese.

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if Melody remains in the US and restarts her career, the current name might become actually confusing, since she'll be less Japanese as a "national" in one sense, and possibly been perceived publicly less as one (i.e., might affect

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Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Knowledge articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example,

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plainly says " writes her name with a lower case m and a period". Frankly, the current page is better than having "Melody Ishihara" or "Melody (Japanese singer)". Just so long as "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" is never used again is

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The names appear to be similar. Miyavi's name is "Ishihara". Ishikawa may well be melody.'s actual maiden name, though I can't find a source to confirm this. I'm keeping her real name as "Ishikawa" on the Dutch version of this

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I agree that it has little relevance to the RM, but the normal way to say in the country legally beyond a work-project visa is to renew the work-project visa (or spousal visa, etc.). This is probably the case for many foreign

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This "It is a double standard" is unacceptable, Ryulong you have been told 3 times above that the difference is a subject with zero coverage in Google Books / Japan Times compared to subjects with coverage. The issue is

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If there is no question that it is in fact her name, what's the problem? The sourcing rules are for controversial material. And if you don't want web results based on Knowledge, just add "-wikipedia" to the search.

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fact that this person does not have a media presence in an English speaking nation preclude the fact that her stage name is parsed in lower case much like several artists who do have an Anglosphere media presence?—

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The only RS in this case is a couple of Tokyo entertainment publications with odd style rules. I find it unlikely she would get a period in her name if she was ever mentioned in something more mainstream like AP,

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says it applies to people as well as bands and businesses. Part of the question is whether there are lots of reliable sources that follow the artist's styling rather than imposing their own "house style".

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as well. Yes, it is not too difficult to stay in Japan longer term when there is continuous employment. However, it is still relatively difficult to become a permanent resident even with long-term ties.

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per IJBall. If she's primarily notable in Japan, and from a Japanese family, then she's basically a Japanese singer. It's not necessary to start digging around as to whether she's a dual citizen or not.

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This fullstop is a stylization which may be fine in advertisements about her but in text is a confusing breach of punctuation rules. Her name, de-stylized, is Melody, and as such needs a disambiguater.

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The disambiguation page is usually for the people that use it as a mononym, and the rest go in the Melody (name) or Melody (given name) articles. I haven't seen other American singers use as mononym.

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exercise to go with this proposal. I don't find any of the proposed disambiguation alternatives practical, policy-compliant, or otherwise desirable, and we have no need to "fix" what isn't broken.

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Every single source has her name written as "melody". Why are you demanding that we write it as "Melody"? And I don't know I've never listened to her music. I assume most of the songs are Japanese.—

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The real problem here is that several respondents are treating "Japanese" as meaning and only possibly meaning "is legally a Japanese citizen", which is not and never has been a required equation

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unless it can be demonstrated that the name "Melody Ishihara" is used in posters and advertising for her concerts or that it appears on the covers of her albums as her professional stage name.

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The full stop is certainly not sufficient to make the topic obvious. The proposed title would be seriously misleading. It's good as it is; a move to the full name would be acceptable also.

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body are exactly right in how they handle the nationality matters, and should be used as a model for Melody (just without the excessive release-details trivia which does need cleaning up).

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means nothing unless you actually achieve a new consensus, which doesn't seem to be happening from the activity of this current survey. And from the responses of various editors here,

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media. Same with the fashion designer career. I've seen hardly any sourcing on that besides the announcement. I didn't see any fashion brands that have a major impact in the public.

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as it cannot be reliably sourced as being her full name in any sense of the word. "Ishihara" as her married name is only vaguely usable, but it wasn't the name she was best known as.—

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the sources provided, except for that "Korea.com" one, which I doubt the reliability of. Just so long as "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" is forbidden from being used again, I will be fine.—

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Fun., however, is a band, and apparently band names count as trademarks. Mrs. Ishihara here is a person like will.i.am and k.d. lang and bell hooks, so her name is not subject to

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The infobox says that Melody's birth name is Miyuki Melody Ishikawa. Isn't Ishikawa her husband's surname that she took when they got married? Can this be called a "birth name"?

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would be either. If it's good for American solo musicians then it should be perfectly fine for a Japanese solo musician. And, again, when I've asked for clarifications on

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It seems to me that the period is obviously not going to happen. So you should be thinking whether you prefer her married name or the parenthetical as a disambiguator.

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per User:BD2412 (04:13, 19 January 2020). On second look, she is only notable as a J-pop singer, she has not become a notable fashion designer after retirement. --

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If you would be OK with "Melody (Japanese singer)", then perhaps we are done here. I think everyone else who has voiced an opinion here would be OK with that too. —

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family residency may have changed to US in 2014, which would affect some but not all of the analysis above. Her case really is strikingly similar to that of

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I suggest to try to exercise some restraint in further discussion of this. By my count, you have posted as many remarks in this discussion as everyone else

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So it's essentially because she's a Japanese performer and has never been mentioned by English language mainstream media? To be honest that's bullshit.—

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trademarks is that they often include non-standard typography, in this case a period, that are added to make a name standout for promotional reasons.

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says, "Use the form personally or professionally used by the person (such as on their official website or official social media profile)." See? We

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On an unrelated note, bytes spent here would be better spent adding to her albums whether the songs are sung in English or Japanese or a mixture.

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do not, although I don't really know what the statistics are. Also, some kinds of styling seem more generally acceptable than others (e.g., see

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The only thing that's happening here is that "Melody." is not a suitable title, but "Melody Miyuki Ishikawa" was even worse as it violated

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Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship for adults and, while I have not verified it, the Japanese Knowledge page says she's American.

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have set precedent that lower case is okay so I would be fine with this page being located at "Melody (Japanese singer)" so long as

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applies regardless, and it does not matter whether we're talking about an official registered trademark or not. It applies to all

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at present is to ignore the question entirely (as we do for Utada), and address only the more diffuse sense of nationality. See

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you don't like how this name is being formatted. But anything is better than using what was alleged to be her legal maiden name.—

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applied we are currently violating it, as it's not like "P!nk" or "Ke$ ha" where "Pink" and "Kesha" are used more prevalently.—

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There seems to be some confusion regarding trademarks. A trademark is name or logo that identifies the origin of a product.

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on social media and has been inconsistently referenced by those and other names on various public media platforms. —

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So is the excuse now "melody" is not a form that has "regular and established use in reliable third-party sources"?—

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isn't well known enough in English sources to disrupt en.wp's titles. In my view, others will take different views.

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The fullstop is really the only issue that's coming up. She parses her name in lower case professionally just as

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I don't think it really matters whether it's a band or an artist, as far as Knowledge guidelines are concerned –

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According to Dekimasu above, she doesn't appear to be a dual citizen, and is instead just an American citizen.

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You cannot go and ask the subject something about themselves and then use their response as a source.—

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because of an unofficial Facebook fanpage from two years ago when the rules on Facebook were more lax

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Well, you can, but they have to respond in a way that makes it official, like updating their pages.

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Where does it say that she's a vegan? I can't find it being mentioned in the Biography section. --

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http://web.archive.org/web/20090821140437/http://www.toysfactory.co.jp/english/artist/melody.html

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It's not me, it's the unanimous view of all four contributors to this RM who have all supported

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which is her most notable occupation and does not have the stylization issues. Can also include

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both title suggestions, as it seems she's now a dual citizen. I propose neutral alternative,

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Toy's Factory had an English website which profiled melody. in the web archives from 2007:

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I‘d like to re-add “Melody Miyuki Ishikawa” as the subject’s birth name and source it to

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as to whether the present title is acceptable nor what alternative title would be best.

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should be allowed per usage in the reliable sources that are currently on the article.—

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I'm okay with this. She's now been with that name for as long as her singing career.

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solely as their stagenames who have their birth names an apparent "open secret" (

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Good point. A taken name is definitely not a birth name, I'll change that now.

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that as a single person's name, even though it may be trademarked, the use of

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There is much of this I agree with, but she lives in the US (not Japan; see

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Japanese Fashion Designer and Former Singer “Melody” Thinks 2NE1 is “Hot”

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as this article's main title header since the subject herself has used

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Does anyone have a reliable source for melody. being vegan? Thanks! --

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Her primary works/notability is in Japan for sure, just like Utada.

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so I don't see why we shouldn't follow suit with such exceptions.—

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This doesn't explain why "melody" cannot be an exception, either.—

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2011. We have enough eyesores on en.wp already without this one.

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On second thought, I have stricken my opposition to the use of

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article says the family moved to the US in 2014, so a) our

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It has already been established with individuals such as

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Tokyohive exclusively refers to her as "melody." though.—

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since she primarily performs Japanese songs in Japan.

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Move to Melody Ishihara or Melody (Japanese singer)

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Create 3321: 3315: 3296: 3253: 3239: 3189: 3174: 3146: 3140: 3113: 3107: 3067: 3061: 3048: 3042: 3036: 3030: 2985: 2979: 2949: 2943: 2912: 2906: 2878: 2872: 2781: 2753: 2747: 2709: 2703: 2658: 2652: 2647: 2641: 2616: 2610: 2599: 2598: 2538: 2532: 2494: 2488: 2483: 2477: 2461: 2455: 2368: 2362: 2302: 2288: 2282: 2236: 2230: 2190: 2184: 2148: 2142: 2115: 2109: 2050: 2044: 2009: 2003: 1912: 1906: 1879: 1873: 1826: 1820: 1746: 1740: 1707: 1701: 1663: 1657: 1599: 1593: 1530: 1524: 1487: 1467: 1448: 1447: 1383: 1380: 1160: 1158: 1121: 1105:Requested move 1 1079: 1077: 1072: 1067: 1062: 993:but there is no 901: 900: 897: 894: 891: 870: 863: 862: 852: 845: 819: 818: 815: 812: 809: 788: 786:Pop music portal 783: 782: 772: 765: 764: 754: 747: 682:requested images 618: 617: 560: 552:Music task force 498: 497: 494: 491: 488: 481: 479: 472: 431: 426: 425: 424: 415: 408: 407: 402: 399: 384: 377: 347: 346: 343: 340: 337: 316: 311: 310: 309: 300: 293: 292: 287: 279: 272: 240: 239: 236: 233: 230: 216:join the project 205: 203:Biography portal 200: 199: 198: 189: 182: 181: 176: 165: 158: 146: 145: 142: 139: 136: 115: 108: 107: 97: 90: 73: 67: 66: 58: 44:this noticeboard 16: 4435: 4434: 4430: 4429: 4428: 4426: 4425: 4424: 4310: 4309: 4308: 4270: 4264: 4257: 4215:Melody Ishikawa 4211:Melody Ishihara 4207:Melody Ishihara 4161:Melody Ishihara 4105: 4099: 4092: 4068:Melody Ishihara 4041:Melody Ishihara 4023: 4017: 4010: 3975:WP:RECOGNIZABLE 3954: 3811: 3769: 3759: 3708: 3691:WP:RECOGNIZABLE 3683:Strongly oppose 3641:Melody Ishihara 3594: 3588: 3581: 3539: 3533: 3526: 3485: 3478: 3424: 3418: 3411: 3376:is correct, so 3319: 3311: 3247: 3170: 3160: 3144: 3138: 3111: 3105: 3065: 3059: 3046: 3040: 3034: 3028: 3017: 2983: 2977: 2947: 2941: 2910: 2904: 2876: 2870: 2813: 2791: 2786: 2777: 2751: 2745: 2707: 2701: 2656: 2650: 2645: 2639: 2614: 2608: 2594: 2593: 2585:Melody Ishihara 2536: 2530: 2492: 2486: 2481: 2475: 2459: 2453: 2366: 2360: 2296: 2286: 2280: 2234: 2228: 2188: 2182: 2146: 2140: 2113: 2107: 2048: 2042: 2007: 2001: 1910: 1904: 1877: 1871: 1824: 1818: 1763:Melody Ishihara 1760:Melody Ishikawa 1744: 1738: 1705: 1699: 1661: 1655: 1626:Melody Ishihara 1597: 1591: 1557:Melody Ishihara 1528: 1522: 1483: 1477: 1472: 1463: 1443: 1442: 1379: 1376: 1261:Alden Loveshade 1154: 1117: 1107: 1089:CarelessTantrum 1075: 1070: 1068: 1045: 1042: 1009:. 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