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the citizens of Miller were overwhelmingly again annexation... Gary and U.S. Steel used their money and political power to force the annexation of Miller. At the time of annexation, Gary was a wealthy and overwhelmingly white city and Miller was against annexation then ... race and class has nothing to do with th matter... Even when Gary was booming Miller citizens did not want to be part of that City and to this day Miller
Citizens still don't want to be part of what's left of the city of Gary...Read your history.. The battle for Miller's independence is a matter of self determination and self rule.We in Miller want the freedom to make our own decisions and to govern ourselves. We just want the freedom to be left alone to make our lives better... Why does this bother you so much???
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Miller as Gary are those "lakefront-liberals", who don't like telling their well-off families and friends that they live in "Gary", because they're ashamed to live here. Half of them don't even live here full time. They come here for the "summer". Bring their rich artsy friends here and neglect to tell them that they're standing in the former "murder capital of
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This article is totally biased and is not based on fact. There is no proof whatsoever that most Miller residents "resent Gary", or don't consider Miller as "Gary". I grew up in Miller and me and everybody I know who grew up in Miller consider it Gary. Our mail, licenses, and zip codes all say Gary,
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I added the "Today a neighborhood of Gary, ..." It looks like the prior editor tried to make this into a historical piece on the former town of Miller/Miller Beach, and that's cool. I would not in that case have added the bit about Miller's being now a neighborhood of Gary, except that the article
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Merrilville was a part of Gary that took the necessary steps to become it's on town in 1971, therefore Gary and Merillvile are separate. Miller is and has been for 80 years Gary. Get used to it. The only people I know that don't consider
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This article is totally biased and is riddled with opinion, not fact. This guy is like the people still waving a Dixie Flag, wishing the Confederacy would've won the Civil War. It's over you were annexed. Miller has been Gary for almost 100 years now. Get over it.
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