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I think "is known" is important, because it underlines that we really don't know all that much about the distribution of this species. There is no realistic possibility that it occurs only at 1100 m at Montagne d'Ambre, and the true ranges in lowland Madagascar and on Anjouan are also likely broader.
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Alrighty, if "occur" is as specific as the literature gets, then that's what we'll have to use. In the past, authors have often responded underneath individual concerns to indicate that they have been addressed or to leave comments as to why they feel particular changes are unnecessary.
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complex. Here's an example: "In M. manavi and M. griveaudi, the base is narrower, in M. mahafaliensis, the sides of the tragus are parallel, and M. brachytragus has a short, blunt tragus sparsely covered with hair." This isn't even phrased as a comparison.
1085:"The head may be slightly lighter than the body." This seems to be an odd choice for the second fact in the description section. It would be significantly less puzzling if it were mentioned later on after a more detailed discussion of the bat's weight. 1073:"In a 1995 contribution..." This is very confusing. Why is there one sentence which mentions the 2000s, one sentence about 1995, then a paragraph about the 2000s? Perhaps the previous sentence could be revised to "During the 1990s and 2000s...". 1063:"Miniopterus aelleni is a small, brown Miniopterus" To describe M. aelleni in relation to other Miniopterii will not be helpful to most readers, as few people will already know about the Miniopterus genus. I suggest just using "bat" instead. 1138:"In some measurements of the skull and teeth, Anjouan animals are larger than their conspecifics from Madagascar." Again, I recommend switching "animals" with "specimens" or "individuals". Also, I don't know what "conspecifics" means. 1146:"Miniopterus aelleni is known from 4 to 225 m (10 to 740 ft) above sea level" I'm not a huge fan of the vague "is known" construction, as it is somewhat vague in meaning. How about "is known to live" or "is found" or simply "lives"? 1033:
I believe the first and second paragraphs of the lead should be switched. Although the classification and distribution are important, it seems odd to discuss such details before the reader is even made aware of what color the bat
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I prefer to indicate clearly that there is no P1 or P3, because the rest of the paragraph about C1, P2, and P4 may otherwise be confusing. I've switched out the dash for a semicolon.
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Reworded. "Conspecifics" are individuals of the same species. Very usual word, but unfortunately non-specialists rarely understand it, so I've switched it out.
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Thanks for the review; I've edited the article in accordance with your suggestions. The sources aren't specific about how closely together the various small
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are all listed from a single site within Namoroka (RNI de Namoroka, Forêt d’Ambovonomby, 26 km NW Andranomavo, 16°28.2′S, 45°20.9′E, 200 m).
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Others prefer for their comments not to be broken up, but I assume you're not among those, so I've responded inline above now.
1079:"who has done much work on African bats." Implies that bats are like cars. What kind of work? Conservation? Taxonomy? Anatomy? 1302: 819: 700: 680: 609: 325: 273: 659: 488: 443: 248: 96: 788:
Okay, then is it possible to discuss that at all? i.e. mention any data but warn that it applies to all species maybe?
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I am presuming this is another species about which little is known about diet, reproduction and social behaivour...?
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It is an implicit comparison, and "narrower" is an explicit one. I've clarified that this is in contrast to
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Possibly because Anjouan is already linked. But that's not a very strong argument, and I'll add a link.
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I'm curious, why link Madagascar but not Comoros? I'd link both as the latter is pretty esoteric...
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Yes. A specific problem is that anything published before 2009 is likely to refer to a mixture of
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Thanks for the review! I'll apply any changes here also to the four other articles on former
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is actually a complex of five separate species, including the newly described M. aelleni."
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have resulted in the recognition of much hidden diversity in bats of the genus Miniopterus
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I think it can be reworded better but an alternative doesn't immediately spring to mind.
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research has led to the identification of five species within the Malagasy bat species
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occur in Namoroka (and one of the four has not yet been described). However,
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I plan to cover that in an overview article on Malagasy
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