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I'm not familiar with this source, but my preliminary opinion is it's sufficiently reliable to use. Unless someone else objects to it, I would be willing to include some text in the article with a cite to the source. The picture, though, is unnecessary (in any event, the picture is in the source).
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I personally wouldn't include info on the pictures that were on display. Is it not just enough to say the wake was held at her childhood home, and mention the various people who attended? If this went forward to FAC at some future point no doubt details of the wake and funeral would be merged into
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I don't know why I had to start this discussion instead of the person placing the tag in the article. If you place a tag in an article you could atleast immediatly add reasons for it on the talk page of the article. Anyway I don't see any neutrality problems. Actually I find the article to be very
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I don't understand what "required reference" you're referring to. As an aside, I've just reverted all of your edits. I didn't understand the point of any of them. In each case, the version you changed was better worded and more faithful to the source. In some instances, your material was not even
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I just removed some italics from the section and noticed the following sentence: " However some argue that the whole
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Even assuming the banner exists and 16,000 Facebook members approve of it does not warrant its inclusion. It is a political image that makes a statement. To be included in the article, there has to be some coverage of the anti-boycott (and the banner) by reliable, secondary sources. Otherwise, it
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I don't think neutrality is the issue here, but there is some unnecessary information. I don't think we need to know so many details about her wake, for example. And parts of this read more like a newspaper report. When traffic slows down on this it may be worth submitting it to peer review.
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As it reads now, the Victim paragraph is jarring, and could do with restructuring. One moment we're talking about her religion, then suddenly the following paragraph jumps straight into a quote from the GAA President. It also has the feel of a piece of journalism about
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I think parts of this need a serious rewrite. I'd do it myself, but I'm not so familiar with the case. But if necessary I'll read up on it. If anyone else wants to do it, however, then feel free. I'd suggest taking a look at
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Having just read through this again I have to agree on the photograph issue. We're in danger here of giving it more weight than is necessary, and forgetting the murder is the central topic here. A few more random thoughts:
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