Talk:Murder of Ahmaud Arbery/Archive 4

1182:), but by ordering the process it will be more manageable than what we've seen to date. If new threads pop up on the same "priors" issue, they can be politely shut down and redirected to the RFC to stop further repetitive disruption. Obviously, some editors may make comments in an RFC that step out-of-line with regard to BLP; that's no different from them making comments anywhere else on this page (as amply demonstrated already). By keeping it within a single RFC thread, BLP violating material can be identified faster and dealt with more efficiently. It's a way to keep this contentious dispute manageable and will eventually get it boiled down to a consensus which will govern the issue going forward. The whole point of asking for input with a simple neutral formulation of the RFC question was to move that process along without arguments erupting later over how the question was phrased. Let's get that done, then all the threads above arguing over the criminal records can be collapsed under text bars directing all editors down to the RFC. None of the old discussions will continue therein, and no new threads should start up as long as the RFC is still running and new editors are directed there. If editors post off tangent comments here in this thread instead of addressing how to word the central RFC question, then " 225:

proceed to the next stage (i.e. trial) the relevance will become more specific as / when McMichael and co make their separate statements. At that point we will better understand the relevance of his criminal record to this case. For instance if McMichael reveals he did recognise Arbery. If their motivation was indeed due to the theft of their hangun. If they suspected Arbery had taken the gun. If the man they faced off against the prior week was in fact Arbery and so on and so forth. At present that level of context doesn't exist any more than digging through the McMichaels career to look for any racially charged behaviour. I am sure at some point a news report will do so, the same way they will dig through the DA's profile but at present it is liable only to introduce imbalance.

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Secondly, by not putting it in the McMichael bio section right next to the Arbery bio section, it can alleviate editor's concerns that we might be over highlighting Arbery's criminal record, something for which there is no consensus as of yet in the RFC to include. I'd also recommend we delete the content about McMichael having problems keeping up his training hours for his peace officer certification, which would reduce everything therein down to a simple statement that he worked for the GCPD for 7 years and the DA's office for 24. It will make the bio sections simpler and more neutral, as editors are tempted to add information there they consider "for" or "against" McMichael's situation. Regards,

2915:, and the unique situation of a pandemic and social distancing guidelines forbidding the gathering of large crowds (typical in a protest), should we mention in this article the mobile march in OKC (dozens of cars...putting signs on their vehicles as they held a procession) and/or the comments from Tometi, or any other sources that may exist that discuss BLM in relation to this shooting. And furthermore, was BLM significant/notable enough in relation to this shooting to mention them at all in this article. I was considering removing the navbox, but thought better, and am opening up a discussion. 1015:– If an editor adds Arbery's priors, it is sure to result in an edit war by those who don't want such. In reply to the above query, already there are denials or minimization of Arbery's priors. The question is significant as reports indicate that the interaction between McMichaels and Arbery go back to the time when McMichaels was a DA investigator and then Arbery was charged with shoplifting and violating probation over some gun law conviction. This report is also relevant to an alleged justification for the McMichaels to be armed in pursuit of Arbery. ( 137:

attention and the usual potential for divided public opinion driving editors to come visit this article, we'll probably see a lot more of that unless we get organized. Some have called for an RFC. Channelling editors into focusing on a list of logical policy based arguments in a single thread therein would be the best way to come to real consensus on excluding or including the content, plus the RFC's listing will attract outside editors with BLP/NPOV/RS policy experience who may provide new perspectives.

3662:. When I reverted that removal, my edit was reverted. (The removal also merged irrelevant references with the previous sentence, which is clearly improper, but that is easily fixed.) We don't know for certain whether McMichael or Arbery was aware of that prior connection at the time of the shooting incident, but the fact that there was such a connection, and thus that there is the possibility that one or both of them remembered it, is clearly relevant. — 3595:, which hasn't a stellar reputation, and the latter's quite tabloidy — the first is used in conjunction with other sources, and the latter is attributed when used alone, so I think it's fine. Note that aside from the hook and a couple other things I checked, I'm mostly taking it on faith that the citations provided support the text. Plagiarism-free: to the best of my knowledge — I don't see anything where the text "smells" like plagiarism, anyway. —{{u| 1178:

mess on the issue of whether or not to put prior criminal record information into the article. The issue has popped up in multiple different threads above and will continue to pop up in new ones going forward I'm sure. An RFC provides a location for everything to be consolidated, in one spot, with editors casting a single !Vote. Sure, there will be follow-on replies to comments (and maybe unnecessary repetitive replies by editors who don't respect

31: 3338: 201:, this very same issue (past conduct of TM and GZ and police) was brought up over and over on the talk page, and I'm seeing some of the same arguments used then for inclusion of past conduct, being used now for this article. RfC's worked then to combat the problem, and I think they would be useful here. I'd also point out that eventually the past conduct of both TM and GZ eventually found it's way into that article. 3588: 3238: 2696:

Citizens arrest law. Generally there is recognized that detainment is not arrest, though I don't know how Georgia defines these matters. Neither have I ever heard of a Citizen's Detainment law. In view of the BLP principle, I think we are obligated not to give a negative interpretation of actions living people take so long as there is a reasonable legal innocent explanation.(

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threatened by that gun. As to taking the law in your own hands, that is what the Citizen's Arrest law allows. If there are reliable sources for the history of entrance to that house & the McMichael's long established interaction with Arbery, I would recommend those factors be added to this article. (

515:"When he was in high school, Arbery was sentenced to five years probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer. He was convicted of probation violation in 2018 after he was charged with shoplifting, court documents show." 3726:

Cheers for the summary, I hadn't yet read a lot of the supporting elements around McMichaels past in this case. I would suggest that it is included as part of the wider recusal background, rather than as background related to the actual shooting in order to keep the two segregated until such time the

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The fact is that we don't know whether or not a citizen's arrest was actually attempted - the police report is not clear, but does not contain clear evidence that one was (according to the report, neither Gregory nor Travis stated to the police that they told Arbery he was under arrest. Instead, they

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The DA report saw a connection of Arbery's past behavior with his behavior on February 23, 2020.- "Arbery's mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man." If the McMichaels had been involved in some

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carefully; there is no such requirement. Any editor, at any time, can start an RFC. RFCs are the approved process for organizing a discussion and requesting outside input concerning disputes over article content (all part of Knowledge's dispute resolution system). So far, this Talk Page has been a

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the question is not should it be included. The question is very much in what context and when. This is not, for me, an RFC issue but is instead an issue of how the article is formulated today and will be formulated in the long term. An RFC here will either bring up a yea or nay, and then when matters

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I see above that there is a discussion of whether to include "Arbery's prior criminal record". Regardless of the outcome of that discussion, I think the information about a previous connection between Gregory McMichael and Arbery is a different matter, and it should be included. This information has

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It's also going to hinge on what level of force is permissible for a private citizen to apprehend someone they suspect of a minor property crime. One can suggest that a citizen's arrest for a suspected minor property crime is permissible, yet that it is illegitimate for a private citizen (who may or

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Bringing a gun to school isn’t that big of a deal and in NO WAY indicates any violent tendencies about him. How can you even say that. This is a Bio of Living Person violation and probably more violations if you ask me. The theft charges… you can’t say that. Even if he was convicted how do you know

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not relevant. I mean give it a break... we all know there was no possibility that Arbery wanted to steal anything that day. There’s nothing illegal about checking out a construction site. He was just out going for a nice jog and these guys literally hunted him like you hunt a deer or dog or a cat or

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It is Georgia, so who knows if it's a felony, but in my state bringing a handgun to school is a felony. As far as the TV is concerned (how does one shoplift a TV?), I guess that depends on the value of the merchandise being shoplifted as to whether it's a felony or not in Georgia. And his background

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Agreed with Koncorde. There is no support in the sources for the idea that his retirement was anything other than voluntary and planned. If McMichael's defense involves invoking his law enforcement training and career, then this might be explored more in reliable sources. But it's not at this time.

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The Georgia Attorney General's Office on May 10 characterized the following events as happening on April 7: it received a request from Barnhill's office to transfer Arbery's case to another prosecutor, and that along with the request, Barnhill revealed that he had learned "about 3-4 weeks ago" that

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Well according to the New York Times, the Georgia DA made the determination that they had attempted a lawful citizen's arrest: "A Georgia prosecutor, George E. Barnhill, cited the state’s citizen’s arrest law as the reason Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son, Travis McMichael, 34, should not be held

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According to Georgia case law, one cannot use the citizen’s arrest statute “to question” a suspect. In fact, stating an intention to question a suspect can be evidence that the individual claiming a right to make a citizen’s arrest is “uncertain and did not have immediate knowledge” that the victim

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Guys just let them do what they want. Let them leave out the priors. I'm going to use this all as evidence of editorial bias on Knowledge. This specific whitewashing is just a symptom of a bigger problem on Knowledge – which is bully Social Justice Edit-warriors that violate the ethos of objective,

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I've added absolutely no facts that mainstream secondary sources haven't also reported. I have no bone to pick with either side of this case, but I do want things presented in a fair way. Including past problems with the police but not Arbery's past theft-related history is an example of things not

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In regards to your second point, understand that I'm not here to argue whether the McMichaels were legally warranted in initially pursuing Arbery. That is fully up to the courts to decide. I'm simply here explaining that Arbery's past theft-related offense is relevant to the article due to the fact

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It probably doesn't. But the citizen's arrest law in Georgia does allow you to pursue a suspect and detain them. And Georgia law generally allows open carry of firearms for self-defense. And I haven't seen anything that would suggest those two rights under Georgia law cannot be combined in a single

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His law enforcement license was suspended due to missing use of force and firearms training, which is relevant to this case given it is about excessive and improper use of force and firearms in an extrajudicial setting. The inclusion of this material is DUE and the current established wording of

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Well, at the very least I think we should mention that the DA cited the citizen's arrest law in Georgia as the reason why no arrests should be made. So in the article I would suggest adding the following bolded text: "On April 1, Arbery's autopsy report was given to Barnhill. On April 2, Barnhill

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Well, the only defense to felony murder is that you weren't in the process of committing a felony at the time the person was killed. In this case, the underlying felony is aggravated assault. However, if they were in the process of performing a lawful citizen's arrest, then that would likely mean

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It seems to me that this entire legal case is going to hinge on whether or not the defendants were attempting a lawful citizen's arrest or not, yet we don't even mention citizen's arrest at all in this article. There are plenty of reliable sources (NYT, CNN, WaPo, etc) that have been covering the

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that Arbery could have been involved in a theft. It does not insinuate the McMichaels were justified. To add, we could make your same argument against including information about past issues in the police department - that it suggests the police were somehow trying to cover this up. That's why it

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The McMichaels did not have the legal right to pursue and shoot Arbery, even if they thought he was a burglar. Their recourse was to call the police and allow the police to handle the matter. And at the point in which they threatened Arbery with deadly force by brandishing firearms at him without

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There are multiple threads here on the talk page where editors are debating over whether or not Arbery's prior criminal record should be included. Passions are running high on the issue, with allegations of WP:BDP smearing the victim vs whitewashing what the RS are reporting. With all the media

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A prior link has clearly been established between McMichael and Arbery. McMichael also claimed there was another prior link between himself and Arbery. We will never be able to get inside of McMichael's mind to learn the truth of what he was thinking that night. We will also never be able to ask

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There is no indication that a citizen's arrest was attempted. Gregory McMichaels told the police that they yelled at Arbery "Stop, stop, we want to talk to you." That is not a statement which indicates "You are under arrest," and a person is clearly under no obligation to stop when armed private

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A great many sources reporting on this incident mention the past criminal record. This is because it's relevant that a man who was pursued for suspected theft had a history involving theft. If a bunch of sources didn't also note these facts, you'd have more of a leg to stand on. I am not arguing

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They're both forms of theft. The fact of the matter is that Arbery is a former convicted criminal for actions in regards to theft, who was suspected of more criminal activity in regards to theft. That past criminal history is thus entirely relevant given that being suspected of such theft is the

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Are these felonies? (No, and one cite above actually just claimed that two relatives were charged with crimes. What is this -- the sins of the relatives? Even linking to that article is a BLP vio.) Are these sources good enough for such (no)? Is any of this relevant to being killed? (No one has

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I disagree. The past problems with the police department go directly to the credibility of the initial police investigation. There has been no such relevance demonstrated of Arbery's prior criminal history - because, for example, it is a known fact that he was unarmed, so a prior conviction for

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They are directly related and absolutely relevant. The theft charges are relevant because he may have been attempting to burglarize that house. There's a possibility that he ran when he saw the McMicheals before he got to take anything. The gun charges are relevant because they could indicate a

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Using the word retire is fine when given the full context of the circumstances of his retirement. I have another source that describes the missed training as critically important and describes how Greg didn't even have arrest powers as a detective. I object specifically to the use of the term

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That would be a good place to put the information for now. The details came up in the context of the D.A.'s recusal letter, so inserting this content at that location in the article fits in well with storyline of events as opposed to selecting it for addition to the McMichael "bio" section.

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Did they have prior history? Was he directly involved in the Arbery case or did he just work in the DA office that was involved? On which basis at least one recusal should certainly be considered also significant corroboration for the prior interaction - i.e. that the first DA recused because

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I am unaware of reliable sources to sustain the POV that the McMichael's were trying to use deadly force to accomplish anything. NPOV demands that we consider the possibility that the arms were only for self-defense. As I recall it was the local DA who justified the McMichaels by citing the

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He did not have a "past burglary conviction" and if you don't retract that libelous statement, you may be subject to sanctions. If you can't edit this article with a clear eye toward the facts and an avoidance of sensationalistic and false claims about the article subject, you should probably

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And this is exactly the sort of synthesis we need to avoid. Attempts to create an argument or justification where reliable sources have not created such a link, nor where the people involved have made such a link is utterly against RS, NPOV and BLP on all sides. We cannot speculate as to what

998:. I think a perfectly fine way to word the RFC is "Should Arbery's past criminal history be included". The RFC should also note that many trustworthy secondary sources that reported on this incident reported this criminal history as well, it isn't something people want to add out of the blue. 3150:

This strikes me as in somewhat poor taste — "became a viral video" make it sound like it's "The Hampsterdance Song". I see what it's trying to say, but the tone is wrong. (The linked source does have that issue in the headline, too, but it doesn't come off that way quite as strongly with the

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Are there reliable sources to establish that the McMichaels threatened anybody with guns or to establish when Arbery first saw a gun? Of course once Arbery ran in passenger side front of the truck & saw McMichael's with a shotgun in hand on other side of the truck, we may assume he felt

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thefts in the area were why Arbery was suspected of wrongdoing on that day. We don't know whether he was responsible for the past incidents or not. What we do know is that the McMichaels believed he might be, which is what sparked the chase. This is the reason for why the criminal background

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According to the source, McMichael was directly involved in that prosecution of Arbery. The cited AJC source says that "... Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney George Barnhill wrote that his son and McMichael, then an investigator in that same office, 'both helped with the previous

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information is relevant to the page. It does not imply that Arbery was guilty. If it did, we could just as quickly argue that including information about past problems in the police department implies that they mishandled the case (which we also do not yet know). This was my original point.

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That discussion is introduced by a sentence saying that "Arbery's death prompted re-examinations of the way prosecutions of shootings were handled by the District Attorney's Office for the Brunswick Judicial Circuit." I suppose it is an example of a shooting case that is being re-examined.

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responsible for Mr. Arbery’s death. In a letter to the Glynn County Police Department, Mr. Barnhill, who eventually recused himself from the case, wrote that the men were in “hot pursuit” of Mr. Arbery, and that they had “solid first hand probable cause” that he was a 'burglary suspect'."

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It sounds like Mr. English has some serious explaining to do in regards to his directly contradictory statements. Initially he said $ 2,500 worth of material was stolen, and now he claims nothing was stolen? Bizarre. I wonder if the death threats he was reportedly receiving (see here:

197:– a RfC on this issue and either question seems fine to me. I'd also offer that the eventual consensus established by the RfC is useful in that it can be referenced if and when this issue comes up again, and it will, I promise you that. Based on my experience as a major contributor to 2726:

they did not commit the assault and therefore no felony murder. But the main point is that reliable sources are covering citizen's arrest law in regards to this case, which means reliable sourse think it is relevant to the case. Thus, I think we should include it in the article also.

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Moreover, the McMichaels aren't police officers - if they suspect someone of a crime, they're welcome to call the police. They are *not* empowered to take the law into their own hands based on their mere suspicions. That's why they're in jail awaiting trial for murder right now.

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Burglary is a much more serious crime than shoplifting. The latter is something you might associate with rebellious teens, the former gets people killed. Anyone who can't tell the two apart, or who refuses to recognize the distinction, has effectively disqualified themselves.

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Barnhill pointed to Georgia's citizen arrest law as justifying the killing of Arbery (the Georgia law states that either a crime must be committed within the citizen's "immediate knowledge", or there must be "reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion" for a felony

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and it appeared to meet all the points, in case that wasn't clear from my earlier comment. Of course, if I missed something or otherwise did it wrong, never mind, and sorry for the trouble! First time commenting on one of these, so I'm not used to the procedure...)

818:. I've been reading this Talk Page for an hour and you always say "No Original Research," and in many cases it's not even appropriate. How is it Original Research when many sources are reporting on his all his convictions? We're just saying what the sources say. 3962:

Retired is the correct word. There's a lot more in those articles than we need or should go into at this moment. If he knew he was retiring, letting his training lapse is irrelevant. In contrast suggesting that the training forces his retirement would be SYNTH.

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Hmmmm, I just discovered that part about McMichael working on the Arbery prosecution is already in the "Before the release of video recordings" section, but was hidden from the reader's view due to broken ref tag. I've fixed that by making this corrective edit

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too, and RfC's are useful to help establish consensus for disputes over what and what not to include (when discussion doesn't resolve the issue). And to clarify my above comment, which appears to be misinterpreted as this RfC being used for "future precidents"

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And that report was written by Barnhill, who had to recuse himself for a COI. 24 hours after he took the case, he decided no charges. Of course he was reversed after intense criticism. This is all so tenuous, and shouldn't even be mentioned on the TP as fact.

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Arbery had previously been prosecuted in an earlier case by the Brunswick Circuit District Attorney's Office, by both Barnhill's son and one of the defendants (this is a reference to Gregory McMichael, who was an investigator with the Brunswick D.A.'s Ofice)

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I've looked at RS and can't find any indication that he has been convicted of a parking violation. Even if there is a record, clearly nothing should be included unless it is directly relevant. We don't normally go after the person killed like this.

1118:- (1) it wasn't my comment, and (2) I'm sure even a lawful citizen's arrest doesn't confer temporarily confer you the status of police and all the rights that come with it. It's not equivalent - you're still just a citizen, not law enforcement. 964:

he wasn’t framed? Most white people think that all black people look alike anyway so it could have very well been a different black guy and they just thought it was Arbery. He wouldn’t have stolen anything. To act like you know is just racist.

2983:, I think the "Police Report" section should either be removed insofar as it is simply a retelling of things gleaned from the report, or resourced so as to rely on quality secondary sources. Just a thought. Have a nice weekend, all. 2111:

I agree. These repeated attempts to paint the victim in the worst light are a violation of Knowledge's fundamental principles. Also, as I pointed out below, it may well be the case that these two POV-pushing SPA's are a single entity.

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Sources have said that in an interview the neighbor, Larry English, also said he had $ 2,500 worth of fishing equipment stolen from him. If that's true, there were at least two thefts in the area that the McMichaels were aware of.

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and indeed, recent thefts were the very reason that the McMichaels suspected Arbery to begin with, it's simply utter whitewashing not to include this fact. Even media outlets sympathetic to Arbery included all of this information.

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fox. They hunted him as if it were for sport. And all he wanted to do was get some sunshine and check out a building he was curious about while he was jogging. To even imply he would take anything shows how racist you are.

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Gregory McMichael was involved in the investigation of Arbery's shoplifting charge, so that crime, at least, is directly relevant to the shooting as it establishes a prior oppositional relationship between the two.

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related to this shooting. All I am seeing here is editors trying to add this "In 2013, Arbery was "charged with two felonies, possession of a weapon on school property and obstruction of an officer with violence."

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I agree. The sanitisation of the article is becoming ridiculous. There is clear evidence from multiple reliable sources that McMichael Sr and Arbery had prior history, but it is being expunged from the article.

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Whether English is correct or not, the fact is that the McMichaels stated they believed he was a suspect from recent thefts. That's why including his past theft-related history is directly related to this case.

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I didn't say that they were. But your comment didn't exclude police. Regardless, if they were attempting a lawful citizen's arrest under Georgia law, then they are essentially acting as police in the situation.

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There are sources about the shooting that discuss the deceased's criminal history and the defendant's participation in/knowledge of the criminal prosecution, so I'm not really sure what else you're looking for.

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Actually, his past criminal history and one of the suspect's involvement in his criminal prosecution is one possible motive, which I assume is why we mention the suspect's link to the decedent in the article.

406:. And judging by the amount of times this content has already been brought up, and very likely in the near future will be brought up again, it's useful to point new queries to a recently established consensus. 500:

Yes. There should not be an RfC discussing phrasing something that shouldn't be included. Seriously, how can you discuss his criminal record when no one has shown that he has one or what it is if it exists?

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I don't see any reason to give a specific date as the RfC will be dated for anyone to see, if one is initiated. This proposed RfC is not intended for the purpose of establishing an iron clad decision that -

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McMichael worked for her, and that she / he / they had previously also had prosecuted Arbery is intrinsic even if not necessarily persuant to the shooting itself (as no evidence he was aware of the link).

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Now, the McMichaels may certainly argue in court that they believed they were attempting a citizen's arrest, but that's speculation at this point and will have to wait for their defense to become clear.

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Comparing the police department with Arbery is pointless. They are not the antagonists here. The inclusion of Arbery's record is moot, but past failures of the police is no justification for doing that.

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They say they wanted to ‘protect their community’ but really they probably just wanted to make sure there were no black people around in their neighborhood. Most white people from Georgia are like that.

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I think all of these discussions should be stopped until multiple reliable sources show some sort of connection. Seems half the page here is about how bad the dead man was. This is still a BLP.

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citizens in a truck demand that you stop and talk to them - what, do you think armed men have a right to forcibly detain and question anyone in a public place? That's ludicrous. To quote

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neutral journalism. So let them leave it out then I'll just leak this Talk Page to the press and we can use it to solve the bigger problem. Let them leave the priors out. I'm serious. –

2054:, you have failed to provide any source that makes any relationship between the shoplifting and the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery. Adding it to the article would be an original research and 1669:

Yes, they're both crimes and both apples and oranges are fruits. Difference is that shoplifting is typically a misdemeanor while burglary is usually a felony. Huge difference in scale.

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for something that is as obvious as this, the WP:OR policy of Knowledge is clear cut, " To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources

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may not have any training) to use deadly force to stop someone they merely suspect of a minor property crime. Even police officers cannot shoot someone who is fleeing unless there is

1186:" is likely to be the way the RFC is phrased when it starts. The sooner, the better, because it doesn't look like this situation will be improving on its own anytime soon. Regards, 247:

but not for future precidents. The situation may (and probably will) change as the case progresses, but we should use the RfC to figure out what we do with the article right now –

1387:), this section should never have gotten started but by now it's too extensive to remove. What is sad here is that no one saw fit to remove or tweak the tendentious section title. 393:, but rather to establish a consensus about the disputed content as it stands right now at this stage of the case (as you suggested). And as the case goes forward, remember that 261:

You have a point. This is a more subtle issue than just "yes, include everything" to "no, never mention anything". An RfC that oversimplifies this won't help us in the long term.

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pattern of violence - in other words why did he try to grab that guy's gun? Saying "No original research" is silly. It's not original research when it's right in the articles.

1686:"Larry English, a man building a home in the McMichaels’ neighborhood, said someone stole $ 2,500 in fishing gear from him earlier this year, but he never reported the theft." 904:, "he may have been attempting to burglarize that house", we don't make assumptions based on our own thoughts. This clearly shows you where you are doing original research.-- 2240:"...he was sentenced to five years’ probation as a first offender on charges of carrying a weapon on campus, and several counts of obstructing a law enforcement officer..." 4103:

Thank you for your opinion. I believe it's weak tea. A mention of "shooting cases" with regard to Caroline Small and to Ahmaud Arbery could appear in the Knowledge article

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has a strange edit history. This is literally the only article they've edited using this account and all they've tried to do is make the victim look worse. Is this what a

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And that is quite enough. You have crossed the line into outright disruption and threats, and are now banned from editing this article indefinitely. See your talk page.

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incident because that would suggest that it is confirmed that McMichael actually killed Arbery because of that reason when we actually still dont know. Do you get this?--

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Arbery was convicted of bringing a handgun to Brunswick High School in 2013, court records show. He was also convicted of stealing a television from Walmart in 2017.

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Arbery was convicted of bringing a handgun to Brunswick High School in 2013, court records show. He was also convicted of stealing a television from Walmart in 2017.

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yelled "Stop, stop, we want to talk to you."). We should probably avoid undue speculation about this until the issue comes up in court, as I'm suspecting it will.

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The first step begins with drafting the most simplistic and neutral RFC question we can come up with for the listing. How do editors feel about this formulation?

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What does that have to do with all the tea in China? The McMichaels are not police officers and had no legal right to threaten Arbery with deadly force. In fact,

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No big deal. It was everyone's first DYK review some time. All you need to do is list out that each criteria is met. I've pasted the checklist below. Just put a

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If you support that formulation, please comment accordingly, while if you think there is a better way to phrase it, please provide your own suggestion. Thanks,

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They cut him off and cornered him and he had no other choice. Like if you were being hunted for sport like that you’d probably do the same. Everyone would.

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The McMichaels stated that their entire impetus behind pursuing Arbery is that they believed he was a burglar involved in recent burglaries in the area.

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There were no "recent thefts." The only theft reported to police for weeks prior was the theft of a gun from Travis McMichael's car on January 1.

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I agree that this should be (and is) included. But, sources use the word retire and he worked for 30 years. So, we should use the word retire.

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To include the past problems with the police department but to exclude Arbery's past criminal history makes no sense and is wildly unbalanced.

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https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/14/retired-da-investigator-accused-in-arberys-death-missed-critically-important-training/

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This is not the RFC itself, nor is it a thread for discussing whether or not editors will agree to permit an RFC go forward. Read

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possession of a weapon is completely irrelevant. Similarly, what do you propose is the relevance of his shoplifting conviction?

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As the case stands on May 14th 2020 - Do you Support or Oppose Arbery's prior criminal record being included in the article

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sources saying that he was killed because he brought a gun to school or shoplifted something at some point in the past?

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Given that he had a past conviction for a theft-related crime, it's entirely relevant to the circumstances of the case.

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probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others

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Could someone explain how the 2010 shooting of Caroline Small is relevant to the 2020 shooting of Ahmaud Arbery? -

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citizen's arrest aspect of this case, so I think we should at least include a little bit about it in the article.

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https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/5/6/21249202/ahmaud-arbery-jogger-killed-in-georgia-video-shooting-grand-jury

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any reference to alleged conduct from high school or shoplifting is absurd and has nothing to do with his murder

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at the bottom of the article, and this shooting article is listed as "Deaths protested" in 2020 in the navbox.

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motivated McMichaels, and we must be careful when using RS who do speculate to ensure it is in their own words.

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We should avoid speculating on what will or won't be someone's defense at trial to charges of felony murder.

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ranked there, I would say, a rough guide would be to consult whether the source is ranked in the green box

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that a theft-related offense is what he was suspected of doing, and why he was pursued by the McMichaels.

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Given that he had a past burglary conviction, it's entirely relevant to the circumstances of the case.

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I've looked at RS and can't find any indication that he has been convicted of a parking violation

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Yes, there are reliable sources which establish the McMichaels brandished firearms at Arbery.

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Should we include that it is contentious whether or not it was actually a citizens arrest?

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here other than the fact that this criminal background information is relevant to the page.

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Arbery what he was thinking that night. Those are the unfortunate facts of the situation. —

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Removal of mention of prior involvement of Gregory McMichael in a prosecution of Arbery

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But it wasn't in the article when I said it. (See the remark by AzureCitizen above.) —

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I have removed the BLM template as the article makes no mention of that organisation.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.

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and sorry for all the hoop-jumping. This project loves its bureaucracy sometimes.

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Brice-Saddler, Michael; Jr, Cleve R. Wootson; Post, The Washington (2020-05-14).

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wrote a memorandum to Glynn County police, recommending that no arrests be made.

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Charges are irrelevant here unless a conviction was secured. Further evidence?

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voluntarily cease editing the article before such sanctions become necessary.

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Support or Oppose Arbery's prior criminal record being included in the article

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racial incident in the past it would certainly be included in the article.

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for being too tangential to anything relevant to the shooting. Regards,

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A formal RfC has begun on this topic. Editors should visit the section "

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in all of the fields that apply, and the review will be good to go.

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link is established or not with McMichaels decisions on the day.

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had the legal right to resist their assault under Georgia's

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that are directly related to the topic of the article

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headline's wording, to me anyway.) Just my 2¢. —{{u|

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