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committed the act, how were they able to make a determination with regard to the question why that person, whom they never identified and know nothing about, killed him? From a layman's perspective that claim looks at first glance like speculation or conjecture. So, did the police ever explain, why they are highly sure that the reason, why he was killed (or the circumstances under which he was killed), was a robbery gone wrong? I don't doubt that it was (in case anyone wants to accuse me of anything unsavoury), I'd just be curious to learn the basis of facts or the rationale on which they based the issuing of the rather definitive sounding claim "i was very likely a robbery gone wrong". Was it that the angle and distance from which he was shot was typical of a robbery that went differently than planned and very untypical of a targetted killing, or something like that? As I said, I would be eager to learn, how the criminological experts reached their conclusion without knowing anything about the person who comitted the act. If anyone knows newspaper articles etc. that cover that aspect and can integrate that IMHO salient information I'd appreciate it.
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virtually meaningless. Instead of being 3 deep-state agents, there were only 2 deep-state agents could be an example of "backpedaling" that still retains the idea that the person believes "deep state" agents were involved. Or it might have been a complete refutation of the theory, i.e. "Well I thought it was x, y and z, but now that I've had time to reconsider it, I don't believe any of that was the case." When describing a conspiracy theory, the standard for language needs to be "tighter" and not more loose, in my opinion. As I see it, options include a) change the word to something more substantive, b) add details to describe the exact nature of the "backpedaling", or c) remove the statement entirely as it is extraneous and not encyclopedic.
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of 2016". Why irrelevant? Because you make too big a claim yourself. Whether he was or was not the leaker doesn't mean his death wasn't connected to the email leak. He may have been the leaker, or he may not have been, but a couple other possibilities are that someone may have considered him the leaker, or he may have known the leaker. Or some other angle. Not that those theories are true either. The point is that you don't know and can't prove it and therefore the use of the word "false" is false and illogical and not presently provable.
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the article, was the one who committed the murder? Sorry. That kind of intelligence is beneath you and the public. People make claims all the time. In the sentence itself, you said they were theories. Claims are by nature, theories. What makes the theory "false" is proof. You can't prove it's false unless you have proof of why it was committed and who committed it. The fact that the word "false" was inserted is proof of one thing though. It's proof that the article is biased.
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It's interesting that the FBI has Rich's laptop, but there is no information about when and why they obtained it. It could be part of the review Trump asked them to undertake. We have to wait for this information to become available and covered in mainstream media. Knowledge isn't cutting edge journalism, but merely reflects what mainstream journalists and academics write. If they ignore information, it doesn't get put into Knowledge articles.
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I've also had a look at the discussion linked to above. That situation is different than this one, because identifiable people have been charged with that crime, and the requested move is based solely on the fear that calling that crime a murder would be a BLP violation on the people accused. That is
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The small little tidbit of info pertaining to Assange "nodding" needs to be removed. It's very clear that Assange was nodding to the interviewer, but due to a lag (consistent in the rest of the video), it appears that he nodded to the claim presented. The source itself is unbound and clearly open to
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Now, I think I know what your reply may be. You might refer back to an earlier quote involving alleged email sent to WikiLeaks days after his death. That is quite irrelevant when compared to your comprehensive conclusion, that the 'false' claims that "his murder was connected to the DNC email leak
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To be included in an encyclopedia, I think the word needs to be made of firmer stuff, like "retracted". Or additional information needs to be included, to give the Reader a clearer idea of exactly what the change was, i.e. from "x" to "y". There's so much room for interpretation that this word is
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There is a difference between saying there is no known evidence of a connection and saying that we know there is no connection. We should be careful to maintain that distinction. There is also a difference between saying that someone else said something and saying it ourselves. It is hypothetically
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policy. The source btw doesn't say that the FBI has thousands of pages about Seth Rich, but that he is mentioned in a number of documents that contain thousands of pages. It's not surprising that Rich would be mentioned in passing since among other things Trump asked the FBI to look into the case.
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said his goal during the meeting was to find proof for a widely debunked conspiracy theory: that WikiLeaks’ real source for the DNC emails was not Russian intelligence agents, as U.S. officials have since concluded, but former DNC staffer Seth Rich, who was murdered on the streets of Washington in
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Politfact rated the claim "Pants on fire" which is actually one step below "false" on their rating scale. Factcheck calls it a "conspiracy theory," which means that it is false. Maybe the sources could be updated. Here's the New York Times from last month: "In statements beginning that summer, Mr.
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The horrible and unsupportable claim here is the use of the word "false". It's way to obvious and to easy to debunk. The article itself acknowledged that there is no proof as to who or why he was killed. So how is it possible to already know that the claims are "false" unless you, the author of
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So far as I know, there has been no serious examination by any authorities of the possibility that it was Seth Rich who leaked and not Russia who hacked. The computer(s) were denied to the FBI and given to a privately DNC hired firm CrowdStrike, upon whose claims much of the Russia theory has been
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The conspiracy theories being right wing is of the least concern, what is fact is that the source does not make this claim, simple as that! The term "right wing" or any similar terms is not mentioned once in the source! Stop making false claims! We can all see they're not true just by reading the
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The FBI attorney's email also makes it clear that those thousands of pages are not from Seth Rich's private laptop, and that the FBI hasn't retrieved any files in a viewable format from it. The email also doesn't say how long the FBI has been in possession of it. It was returned to the family by
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A post from Dec. 9, 2020 by Attorney Ty Clevenger begins with this sentence: "After three years of claiming that it could not find any records about murdered Democratic National Committee employee Seth Rich, the FBI admitted today that it has thousands of pages of information about him, further
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Hi, one detail I'm curious about that the article is unfortunately very vague about is, how the police did determine that Mr. Rich's death was probably a robbery that went wrong? I mean, if the authorities never caught the perpetrator who killed Mr. Rich, or at least identified the person, who
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per Rreagan007's reasoning. If there were any suspects, then BLP considerations should indeed take precedence over COMMONNAME and the name changed to avoid implications. However, as long as there is no living person who could be impacted by the current title, COMMONNAME should prevail. Regards
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WP:DEATHS says if there is a common name we should use it. In this case it is murder. WP:DEATHS in any case is not a policy or guideline and has not been vetted by the community. There's very little doubt that it was a murder, that is, that the assailant had criminal intent, and none has been
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More than a dozen US intelligence agencies concluded that it was the Russians. Repeating conspiracy points that are debunked by reliable sources cited in the article doesn't make them worthwhile for consideration as additions to the article. Seth Rich had been dead for several days before the
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First off, it doesn't matter what you or I think. What do reliable sources say? They say the claims are false. Second, there is zero evidence for any connection between the DNC hack and Rich's death and a lot of evidence against it. That means it's false by any useful definition of the word.
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All reliable sources have treated it as an absurdity, therefore it is false, whether or not anyone is ever convicted of the murder. By definition there's no such thing as a fringe theory that should be taken seriously, and conversations like this one should be beneath Knowledge's dignity.
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artile is actually a direct quote from the Mueller Report. All I am saying is that Knowledge articles should report information in the same way as reliable sources. When we misrepresent sources, it detracts from the credibility of the narrative that you think the article should support.
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article, which says "the investigation did not establish that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."" Well obviously if no evidence was found, then the claim is false, but sources do not phrase it that way.
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Assange and WikiLeaks 'implied falsely' that Mr. Rich had been the source of the emails, the special counsel’s report said." I don't think we need metaphysical certainty to say that the claim that Seth Rich was murdered because of the DNC leaks is false.
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The article is intentionally biased and not comprehensive and with unsurprising blather. However, that, like the article itself, is an opinion. My edit recommendation is on this particular phrase used under "Conspiracy Theories". As such:
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And I wish brand-new editors would take the time -- it doesn't take long -- to acquaint themselves with Knowledge's standards of evidence and inclusion instead of parachuting in and going by what think sounds good to themselves.
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And "remove false conspiracy theories"? Well, the following sources - Reuters News Service, CNN, Infowars, and the Washington Times - all state that claims about Seth Rich's supposed involvement in the leaks are false.
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I don't see the problem with Vox, and now that I'm looking into it, I've found multiple sources that describe these conspiracy theories as being "far right". Maybe the article wording should be stronger.
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The preponderance of reliable sources describe this as a murder, either in the headline, or in the body of the story. When "murdered" is not used, its close synonym "slain" is frequently used instead.
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interpretation (I know, this applies to me too). It should be worded to something else, such as "When asked directly whether Rich was a source, Assange said "we don't comment on who our sources are".
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common name is what takes precedence. A Google search for "Killing of Seth Rich" gives 2500 results, "Murder of Seth Rich" gives 14,000 - "murder" in this case does seem to be more common.
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I didn't use that material to edit the article. Rather, I used that material to demonstrate how Knowledge has been taken over by biased thugs who want to conceal news from the public.
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refer to someone killed by manslaughter as "murdered" unless one is ignorant of the law; one simply refers to them as "killed". Murder is a specific legal term. Unlawful killing does
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That source was there in the body of the article, and had been there all along. Not everything in the Lead has to be sourced, as long as the same information is sourced in the body.
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Even if a person is convicted of manslaughter in the death of another, one still phrases it as "they were murdered" when discussing the victim. It isn't "they were manslaughtered".
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under the Lawsuit against Fox News section there was a misspelling of "Spicer" (as in Sean Spicer) Please change "and his meeting with Splicer" to "and his meeting with Spicer"
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Two sources that the claims are false, Factcheck.org and Politfact, use the terms unsubstantiated and baseless, but do not use the term false. Only Snopes uses the term false.
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To add to this article: on July 9, 2021 the FBI released 137 pages of documents (which are extremely heavily redacted) about the murder of Seth Rich, at the following link:
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4) William Binney, a man with US intelligence experience gave a technical argument that the DNC data was taken by physical access to the computer and not by internet hack.
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The Gateway Pundit is a garbage site I wouldn't trust to tell me if the Sun rose this morning -- and Knowledge editors overwhelmingly agree, as it's been marked as
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Ridiculous. He didn't shoot himself n the back 2 times. The absence of an identified perpetrator does not invalidate the nature of the death, which is a murder.
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he told the Riches that it was Seth Rich and his computer expert brother Aaron who had done the leaking, and that the Riches acknowledged the truth of that.
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1) SR had motive as a supporter of Bernie Sanders (both of same ethno-religous background) in that the DNC was exposed as favoring Hillary in the primaries.
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Finally I see you put a source that actually makes this claim, isn't it easier to just do that than to say an untruth thinking people will believe you?
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is an explanatory supplement and not WP:Policy or a guideline. The WP:Policy of COMMONNAME indicates that if there is a common name, then
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5) Assange himself pointed to Seth Rich as their source, a pointing which Mueller acknowledged. Assange also denied Russia as the source.
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proposing a rename to "Murder" is one of the more tediously pedantic practices on Knowledge. Just follow COMMONNAME already! --
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I won't edit the article without consensus, but it seems clear that the conspiracy theories are predominately from the right –
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MPDC, as far as I remember. The FBI may have obtained it from the family when they were sued by Clevenger's client under FOIA.
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doesn't apply if the incident is universally considered a murder by sources long before the conviction could be attained. —
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The absense of a named suspect does not preclude the Wiki from saying he was murdered. Did he fire a gun into his own back?
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Seth was the source of the leaks according to investigators. Its time we remove false conspiracy theories now.
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article! The fact this even has to be discussed is ridiculous, you shouldn't let POV pushers have their way!
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We cannot add this information until it receives coverage in reliable sources, i.e., mainstream media per
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Otherwise no rumors or claims could ever be considered "false"--for instance, your baseless speculation.
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I do so wish that people who don't know logic were not allowed to edit WP.
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