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victims of discrimination. More importantly, Chin’s case highlighted the flaws in our legal system and sparked several legal reforms. Because of Chin and other similar cases, families of victims are now allowed to deliver victim impact statements at hearings before the judge. At the time of Ebens’ and Nitz’s first sentencing before Judge Kaufman, Wayne County prosecutors were not required to attend sentencing proceedings. Now, prosecutors are required to be at all hearings. Further, less than one year after Chin’s murder, the Wayne County Prosecutor’s office barred future reductions of second-degree murder charges to manslaughter. This had the effect of eliminating probation as a sentencing option. Finally, the Supreme Court and the Legislature addressed the wide latitude judges had in sentencing with mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines.

2927:, this literal assessment of Conyers' meaning by saying "politically motivated, not racially" was also made, or at least not countered, in Yoo 2021. Yoo also says a bit about how Conyers as well as local leaders were on the ground in the community for quite some time helping afterwards. As happens with Knowledge (XXG) so often though, the characterization of Conyers as being an anti-Asian racist had been scattered on a lot of blogs over the years, citing this article uncritically. As Conyers pushed through multiple hate crime bills for which he cited Vincent Chin among others, my decision at the time was to leave up the testimony along with the additional info given by Yoo in as little additional text as possible (because the article isn't about Conyers). 1436: 2729:

issues going on that we need to continue to fight for." Also: "So we have actually been pushing for our bills, which are about teaching not just Asian-American history, but Latino history, Indigenous history, Arab and Chaldean history, and Black history within all of our schools. Because we know that so many of our marginalized communities, we are not learning about that history precedent." (Chang, Stephanie. "Rise of Anti-Asian Hate Revives Asian American Civil Rights Movement Sparked by Vincent Chin’s Murder". Interviewed by Bill Kubota, One Detroit, Jun 16, 2022.

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a homicide. Even an execution pursuant to a judicially imposed sentence of death is a homicide. In most US jurisdictions the determination of whether or not a death is a homicide is made by a coroner or medical examiner, as a prerequisite to other legal proceedings. The medical examiner in Floyd's case determined that his death was, indeed, a homicide – or in common American English parlance, a killing.

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it was about the automobile industry. And they were thinking—this was a Japanese American and they were thinking about exports and imports. And the case did not get picked up for what I suspect is political reasons. I thank you for raising that kind of incident which frequently occurs where the people are not racist at all. They just do not want to deal with a hot potato.

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I understand that the Knowledge (XXG) sentence says "Chin's case", and thus may be intended to refer specifically to the legal case, but that is absolutely not clear to me; "case" can easily be read in a more general sense (as, in fact, I had originally done). Add in the fact that the Knowledge (XXG)

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National Law Review: "Although justice was not served in Chin’s case, his murder is often recognized for galvanizing the Asian American victims and civil rights movement. The case also led to the formation of the ACJ, which has a mission to combat xenophobia and hate and provide various resources for

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A4: Any time one person causes the death of another – whether intentionally or not, whether criminally or not – that's a homicide. It's a very broad category. Every murder or manslaughter (of any "degree") is a homicide, but not every homicide is a murder or manslaughter. A killing in self-defense is

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My experience is that when you are dealing with local law enforcement and local prosecutors, the vast majority of those people are acting in good will. There are no problems of bias. Sometimes that happens, and I hope that it is very rare nowadays. What I have encountered is not so much that kind of

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In the "Legacy" section, there is currently this: "After Chin's murder was raised during a 1998 House of Representatives hearing on the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 1997, Conyers mistook Chin to be Japanese-American and argued that Chin's case was not of racial injustice but rather political, about

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stating an opinion such as "The attack on Chin was politically motivated, not racially motivated", but rather "The state's decision not to prosecute the murder charge was politically motivated, not racially motivated" (that is, the same thing that AAG Lee had just suggested that he tends to think).

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I want to thank you for raising the Vincent Chin case because in that case we are talking about the Wayne County prosecutor who has over 100 lawyers. We are talking about people of supposed goodwill, Mr. Lee. The problem was, it was political. It was not racial. The case was not declined there, but

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New Detroit. "After the sentence of probation, American Citizens for Justice and the APA community could not get a meeting with then-county prosecutor William Cahalan. It took the intervention of New Detroit, the urban coalition that arose from the 1967 Detroit Riot, and the Detroit Organization of

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The Michigan Legal Milestones program recognizes significant legal cases and personalities in Michigan's history. The Michigan State Bar bestowed Milestone 34 on the Vincent Chin case in recognition of it's legal, social, and judiciary impacts, including: "giving birth to the Asian American victims

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This is a tricky subject, which is why the RfC says to use the WP:COMMONNAME and the closing admin even says the RfC applies in cases of those "charged with murder, but convicted of manslaughter". Reliable sources all call this event a murder and Knowledge (XXG) should reflect reliable sources, not

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Michigan State Senator Stephanie Chang-D, the first Asian American woman elected to the state's legislature. "Learning about what happened to Vincent Chin, I think that sort of sparked a lot of my interest in wanting to work on civil rights issues and realizing that there was, you know, many, many

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It is not a red herring to say that an encyclopedia should try to maintain a more dignified and NPOV tone than a tabloid by not lightly toss around words like 'murder'. That is what tabloids do – they use headlines with a sensationalistic tone. It is not what Knowledge (XXG) should do. Knowledge

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The advocacy of Lily Chin for her son, the Asian American community, and civil rights. "Lily Chin found the strength to speak to thousands of people at community gatherings, rallies and demonstrations across the country, and even to appear on television.” (Zia, Helen. "Lily Chin: The Courage to

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Expansion on "the fight" referenced above. "Because of this injustice, many people in the Asian American community of southeastern Michigan organized a national civil rights movement to reach out to people all across America...The campaign eventually forced the federal government to seek a civil

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In fact, I think that the results of such a (mis-)reading already show on this talk page itself. Before starting this new section, I searched to see if anyone else had said anything about this. I found that in the talk page's "Inaccurate Information & Premise; Expansion, Inclusion & New

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Annual memorials for Vincent Chin, including 2022's 40th anniversary: "Detroit has partnered with The Vincent Chin 40th Remembrance & Rededication Coalition on a four-day commemoration to honor civil rights efforts that began with Chin’s death and declare the city’s commitment against such

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Inclusion of the significance of the federal government pursuing the civil rights claim. "The campaign eventually forced the federal government to seek a civil rights trial against the two killers — the first time the federal government ever pursued a civil rights claim on behalf of an Asian

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problem. The problem is that the average District Attorney's office has seven employees and when a hate crime of a particularly horrendous nature hits in a particular jurisdiction, they need help sometimes. The Federal Government, if we have this coverage, will be able to help.

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Reader may infer that V.Chin's death was not ruled a hate crime as such legislation didn't exist; rather than how V.Chin's death was ruled a hate crime, and then overturned; illustrating the continuing injustice of anti Asian-American sentiment within the civil rights legal

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while still having the same import. Note that the request for closure was specifically made for an admin to do so-- I am not an admin, but believe I have correctly assessed consensus; any editor is welcome to refute my closure on that basis, but according to the terms of

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In such cases, the prevalence of the name, or the fact that a given description has effectively become a proper noun (and that proper noun has become the usual term for the event), generally overrides concern that Knowledge (XXG) might appear as endorsing one side of an

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I'll also add that the opposition proposed by Roman Spinner and supported by others, namely that a murder charge not resulting in a conviction justifies the label of murder, does not appear to be supported by any Knowledge (XXG) policy. In fact, it directly contradicts

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Regarding the claim here in Inference Risk #2 that Conyers is being quoted "as opposing Vincent Chin's murder as a hate crime": I suspect that this may be a serious misinterpretation of what Conyers said, based on the way that Knowledge (XXG) is currently summarizing

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Department of Justice apparently felt that an inappropriate result was achieved". Rogan is asking about why the the state declined to prosecute on murder, and if the reason for that was racially motivated. Lee says that he doesn't know why the state declined, but:

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has been secured, following an earlier accusation of murder. The fact that the conviction for manslaughter was secured after an accusation of murder does not make the convicted person guilty of murder. And there is no one policy or one admin to rule them all.

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I don't think it's necessary to try to get the discussion closed very soon. It's pretty common for an RM to be open for a while. It looks like there are currently about 40 of them that have been open longer than this one, which has only been open for 8 days.

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At this point I support removal of the testimony. Dumb bloggers are dumb. Although I will re-add citation to Yoo because she goes into considerable depth on the activists coming into the community in the aftermath, whereas Zia's characterization is a

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policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or

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is already implicitly making the exact (seemingly incorrect) assumption that I am concerned about here: that the Knowledge (XXG) sentence in question means that John Conyers was "opposing Vincent Chin's murder as a hate crime".

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Purpose: "founded in reaction to the fatal beating of Vincent Chin, a Chinese-American man. The ACJ later evolved into an organization advocating for the rights of Asian-Americans in general." Non-profit organizational records:

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is unlikely to achieve a different outcome on that basis alone, esp. given that many requests languish for months and that closures are not easy to come by (one request there is for a discussion that is currently over 600 days

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hearing on the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 1997, Conyers mistook Chin to be Japanese-American and argued that Chin's case was not of racial injustice but rather political, about the automobile industry. Conyers later

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The article clearly says "Ebens and Nitz were charged with second-degree murder but bargained the charges down to manslaughter and pleaded guilty in 1983" in the lead. There are no "accusations"; a conviction

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Reader may infer that the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 1997 became legislation- when it did not advance beyond the hearings phase. There are no Knowledge (XXG) entries on the stalled H.R.3081 bill.

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use of the word "murder" as it appears in multiple reliable sources, however this does not require us to use that term when it in fact does not technically apply (as here). Chin's death apparently

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This wasn't a murder no matter how many articles call it one. There is no difference between a plea bargain to manslaughter or someone being found guilty of manslaughter - it's still manslaughter.

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sentence is explicitly in the context of "Chin's murder", and I think it's even easier to read -- I think misread -- it as claiming that Conyers was saying the attack was not racially motivated.

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When I read that, I thought it was saying that Conyers was arguing that the attack on Chin was not racially motivated. This seemed very odd to me, based both upon my preexisting knowledge of

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establish some overriding policy that requires us to refer to this killing as a murder in a way that is contrary to the adjudicated declaration by the court of appropriate jurisdiction. —

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Appeal to Authority fallacy. What is the intent of describing Conyers' political history of hate crime legislation while quoting him as opposing Vincent Chin's murder as a hate crime?

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per above. Ill-considered nomination that should be snow closed quickly, as the article is receiving a surge in traffic right now due to connection to the 2021 Atlanta spa shootings.

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The article clearly says "Ebens and Nitz were charged with second-degree murder but bargained the charges down to manslaughter and pleaded guilty in 1983" in the lead. A conviction

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what editors personally think should be the title instead. We'll just have to agree to disagree with this sort of stuff. I posted a request to have an admin close this discussion

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You're right, it's not a policy. As seen in the RfC you've linked, it's been hard to establish consensus on this type of article title, or to have a guideline more specific than

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violence." (Williams, Corey. "Detroit honors Vincent Chin, Asian American killed in a 1982 hate attack, with commemoration". Associated Press and PBS NewsHour, June 16, 2022.

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move. The final judgment was manslaughter, not murder. Whether there was a plea deal makes no difference. The question of murder is for a court of law to decide, not the

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I'm just quoting policies and guidelines. I can see that you have strongly held opinions on the subject, though, based on your vote at the RfC and now at the two RM's.

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evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language sources, Knowledge (XXG) generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title

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evidenced through usage in a significant majority of English-language sources, Knowledge (XXG) generally follows the sources and uses that name as its article title

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A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction.

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The 34th Michigan Legal Milestone commemorated the Vincent Chin case with a bronze plaque on June 19, 2009, at the Chinese Community Center in Madison Heights.

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In some cases a descriptive phrase (...) is best as the title. These are often invented specifically for articles, and should reflect a neutral point of view.

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a "murder", but there is no compelling argument or consensus here that makes that term necessarily more suitable than "killing", which is inherently less

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As you can see community consensus is evidently «Killing»-leaning. In most cases it tries to strike the balance between different opinions and satisfy

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will provide good results to evaluate WP:COMMONNAME; the link shows that the COMMONNAME is 'Murder of Vincent Chin' even long after the conviction.

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is a distant second, which confirms that the current article title 'Murder of Vincent Chin' is the WP:COMMONNAME, which should be used per the RfC.

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Using "murder" as the title implies that the killers are murderers, and the court determined that they are not guilty of murder. If we look at

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the killers (who were initially charged with murder but were able to bargain down their charges to manslaughter) were convicted in 1983, e.g.

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In case anyone is getting a different impression from the the above further commentary by one registered user and an IP, I suggest that this

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Espiritu, Yen Le (1996). "Racial Killing or Barroom Brawl? Multiple Explanations of the Killing of Vincent Chin". In Brass, Paul R. (ed.).

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Good catch. I haven't found any independent sources on Conyers' remarks, so I removed that statement as an original interpretation of a

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mean that those who support this move have given up their opinion, and I further suggest that the RfC in question (which was closed as

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That RfC was just from December and so yes the Consensus to use COMMONNAME (which was a strong consensus) certainly still applies

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.

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is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction.

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to manslaughter." Just because the killers were able to bargain down their charges does not make Chin's death "not a murder."

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Section opportunities", there is a part about this statement of Conyers, and one of the "inference risks" it points out is:

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Emphasis mine on the last sentence. In the case of Chin, the court found the men guilty of manslaughter. To use the title

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Well... anyway, the rest shows it clearly that «Killing» has a certain trend here. I see little examples of opposite. --

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and upon things I had read earlier in this very Knowledge (XXG) article. So, I went to the cited primary source - i.e.

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which went over all this murder/killing/shooting/etc. article naming and the result was no consensus and to use the

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if sources use a particular term then so should we. Therefore, an analysis of reliable sources is necessary.

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Agree with Roman Spinner. Even the article says "Ebens and Nitz were charged with second-degree murder but

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Black Organizations, for a meeting to occur with the prosecutor." (Chi, Sang, and Emily Moberg Robinson.

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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And it sure seems to me that those two interpretations of what Conyers said are very different things.

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Yes I agree. And the seven reliable sources dated 2020-2021 I listed as a response to you and

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The "tabloid" argument is a red-herring. The majority of reliable sources call this a murder,

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A homicide becomes, legally, a murder or manslaughter only once someone is convicted in court.

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Zia, Helen (2013). "Chin, Vincent (1955–1982)". In Zhao, Xiaojian; Park, Edward J. W. (eds.).

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At the end of Rogan's questioning of Lee, Conyers asks for a minute of speaking time to say:

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above all regardless of amount of sources used so we should probably follow the same way. --

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that the RfC still applies in cases of "charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter".

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Inaccurate Information & Premise; Expansion, Inclusion & New Section opportunities.

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yes the Consensus to use COMMONNAME (which was a strong consensus) certainly still applies

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Ma, Sheng-mei (2000). "Vincent Chin and Baseball: Law, Racial Violence, and Masculinity".

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A more extensive table of somewhat similar cases, as of October 2020, can be found at

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Thank you for the further expression of your strongly held opinion on the subject. —

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https://www.michbar.org/file/barjournal/article/documents/pdf4article1505.pdf

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Kich, Martin (2019). "The Murder of Vincent Chin, 1982". In Dong, Lan (ed.).

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avoids the use of non-NPOV wording, and it is still instantly recognizable.

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https://www.aasc.ucla.edu/resources/untoldstories/UCRS_Vincent_Chin.pdf

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Q4: Why is this article calling it a killing instead of a death/murder?

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Voices of the Asian American and Pacific Islander Experience Volume 1.

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American person." (Zia, Helen. "Lily Chin: The Courage to Speak Out."

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in cases such as this one where there's a conviction of manslaughter

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