Talk:Musical note/Archive 1

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countries generally use either of these systems, with the "H" variant dominant mainly in Germany (and if you say so, perhaps Finland). The southern European countries tend to use the do-re-mi system. English speaking countries use the sharp/flat notation. The sentence about Heses was imcompresensibly formulated and not essential, so I removed it. To get more references do a Google search like "bes fis". −

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that is normally called "C." After all, C is the most basic scale of tonal music, having no sharps or flats. I asked a theory professor about this, and he related the assignment of specific pitches to specific letters to an ancient Greek system of notation, but I have forgotten what he said. I would appreciate it very much if someone would address this issue. --G DeBenedetti

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italics. I know the Capital Letters and lower case letters are significant and the apostophes somehow modify the octave, but I can not find definitions anywhere. Maybe if I insert symbols... I think A“ is in the bass clef and g”” is above the treble, but I do not know specifics. Knowledge (XXG) has everything else. Please add this soon. --

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Well, actually, I think this explanation is missing. I just searched(!) for this very question and I am glad to have found at least a small piece of discussion about it here. So, when and why (and by whom) was it decided to start from C (Do) and not from A (La)? Would be nice if somebody knowledgable

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I have not found a discussion in Knowledge (XXG) about the reason for the letter "A" representing the pitch at 440 Hz (and its octaves). I tell my music theory classes that it seems arbitrary. If I were to invent the system of assigning letters to pitches, I would assign the letter "A" to the pitch

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Didn't discover this until now; I thought we were discussing on your talk page. I was never against adding info that has sources, and i added the bes system as soon as I found a reliable source. The original situation was however complete nonsense because it presented the mixture between the English

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I doubt this system is only used in Italian, Greek, French and Russian. In fact, I know for a fact that it's used in more than just those languages/countries as my own language/country uses them. The Germanic notation (ABCDEFG, with H sometimes) is used only by Germanic-influenced countries, I think

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That's only for fixed Do, which isn't used as much as moveable Do. In Moveable Do, Do is represented by the first note in the Major Key as indicated by the key signature. For example, C would represent Do in the Keys of C major and A minor. In the key of B flat Major, Do would be B flat, and so on.

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The table under Note Names seems to have some problems. AFAIK, the entries in the rows named "Flat (text)" and "Sharp (text)" are excusive to German, and should be included in the German row. The English names are simply "F sharp" or "B flat", and could just be included in the row of English note

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I think that note is too generic to deserve an article of it's own and taking precedence over any specific type, I think the main page for "note" should be the disambiguation page given it's wide variety of meanings, and the current "note" which refers to "musical note" be renamed to reflect that.

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This whole section is nonsense. Instead of explaining the system of -is and -es suffixes actually used in many countries, which is based on B natural being called H, this section presents a hypothetical system that is used nowhere. Worse still, it confuses users by "teaching" them incorrect things

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music can be composed of notes at any arbitrary frequency. Since the physical causes of music are vibrations of mechanical systems, they are often measured in hertz (Hz), with 1 Hz = 1 complete vibration per second. For historical and other reasons especially in Western music, only twelve notes of

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This page has systematic errors about MIDI octave numbering, and those errors have led to incorrect frequency values in the table at the end of the "Note name" section. In fact, as the page on MIDI correctly states, MIDI pitch number 0 is C(-1). Thus, the MIDI gamut runs from C(-1) to G9, rather

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Would someone please add the note names shown in CAPS and lower case letters, with and without apostrophes, to this article? Perhaps under History of... I tried to type examples like a lower case g with 3 apostrophes, but that is apparently code for text formating, because half the preview was in

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page, which could use some of the info scattered in this talk page and elsewhere. I want to start on this pretty soon, but we shgould really generate some ideas about what exactly belongs in the note article. Specifically, should sharps and flats be discussed here? If not, where should they go? --

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Well, I removed the brackets like you said and I got 71.9999956789 as the result. I guess I will need to round up, right? Correction, when I added more precision to the note frequency I got an even 72.0. Here is the note frequency for C5: 523.251130601. The extra precision must have corrected the

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This is completely wrong. The German system is used in all Scandinavian countries plus all the other European countries that you deleted. Basically all European countries except the Netherlands and countries whose main language is not English or a Romance language use the German system, as it now

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Part of the problem lies in that the terminology of the subject itself ambiguous. A note is a piece of sound, eg the C sharp key on my piano plays a note. On the page is printed a note, which is C sharp. These two uses of the word to me are different in some way which I can't yet qualify. A rough

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Results: F, C, B, E, C, G. The tiny superscript codes run together, so for double-sharps, put a space between the two pound-signs ("# #"). In general, the simple "# / b" characters are close enough, such as F# or Bb, especially considering the tedious coding of superscript expressions. However,

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The system using B and Bes is not hypothetical. It is used in several countries, including some German editions. There are two systems using the "is" and "(e)s" postfixes. A regular system with B and Bes and a variant using H and B instead. So I had to revert the article. The northern European

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I notice there is no page for "staff position" and no entry (including this one) refers significantly to the lines and spaces of the staff as determinants of the name of the note. Notes can't be placed just anywhere on the staff but must be on a line or space (or ledger line). Is this a policy

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What I am doing is first i add 69 to 12. Next, I multiplied the value I got from the addition to the value of the log of C5Freq / 440.0 using a base of 2. This comes out to 20.2499708327. However, the answer should be 72. Is the formula wrong or am I doing something wrong in the calculations?

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Almost every major dictionary gives two meanings for "note" -- one the notation itself, the other the sound itself. Furthermore, this second meaning is very well established in ordinary musical discourse. People speak of jazz musicians playing "notes" all the time. When Joseph II said that

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In the case of the North Indian Musical system I understand that Sa, Re, Ga etc are not associated with any specific frequency, as suggested in the table: eg Sa may be 'above' or "below' C4 by upto a tone at. least. The relative positions remain the same.

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Please add the sharps and flats in the "southern" European system. Maybe French + Italian is enough. If someone wants to add Spanish and Portuguese they can, but it'll look pretty ridiculous because the designations for flats and sharps are all so similar in the Romance languages.

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I just went through note pages on other languages and found nice table in italian version, which seems correct. I found on other pages, what languages uses what: Italian System (some with Ut instead of Do): Italians, Spains, Greeks, Romanians, Bulgarians, Ukraine, Belarus,

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Maybe this would be a little overkill, but how about a group of articles, one for each musical note? (E.G. an article about A, an article about B flat, etc.) The articles would contain facts about each note, similar to the group of articles about numbers. For example:

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The notation described as "Northern European, and Scandinavian before 1990s" is in fact in use in Hungary (likely german, austrian influence). Not sure about other countries, it was used in Germany sure and I think it is still being used this way but can't testify

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There's something wrong, here, but I'm not sure what. Which is B and which is H is more complicated than that, but I've never heard what the correct rule is. See, though, for example, Brahms' B-Flat Piano Concerto: In German, the key is given as "H-dur."

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The article seems to suggest that A = 440Hz and equal temperament (twelfth-root of 2 relationship) are the only answers, which they are not. I would refer to these as "modern conventions" since historically other tunings and temperaments have been used.

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Over the past 2 years, the unprintable sharp/flat unicodes have been reverted in articles to use simple # / b; however, superscripted codes seem more accurate and universal. For more precise coding, that shows on most PC screens, use superscripts:

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If you are asking why the natural major scale begins with C instead of A, the answer is in the article but it's not explicit. When Boethius assigned letter names, he began with the first pitch of the Greek two-octave system. That system does

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than from C0 to G10. In the table at the end of the "Note name" section, the last two columns agree with each other, but both of those columns should be moved up one line in order to agree with the preceding columns. --Lyle Ramshaw

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The "Written notes" section has an image that makes no sense. It has a C (which means 4/4) time signature but the time signature would have to be 60/4 in order to follow the "don't fill up a measure with too many notes" rule.

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Now, I want to calculate the MIDI note number of C5 which is 72. However, when I do the calculations the answer comes out to 20! I am doing the calculations in a python 2.76 session. Here is the following commands I used:

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I removed a picture showing the accidentals, which had them confusingly ordered. Would be a good picture if reordered from left to right (perhaps still wavy on two lines): double flat, flat, natural, sharp, double sharp.

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This seems a logical place for sharps and flats. A "note" notates pitch and duration, and a flat or sharp is part of the indication of pitch. Whether it's noted in the key signature or nearby is simply "accidental". --

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I'll have to do some research on the German link you found. No German reference work and no German school uses bes. I presume this is an idiosyncrasy perhaps caused by the author being more of a computer expert than a

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I have created a table collecting most namings. I moved in the frequencies (one octave) as well. It would be nice to add a row with small pictures of each note on a staff. I do not have the tools. Who volunteers?

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Everything. It only has one citation, and that one is attached to a statement that is not very well connected to what the source actually says. A source the "two primary meanings" would be nice, if it exists.

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The phrase "note name" is used in two senses in this article: the letter name and the duration. I propose that the the term "note value" is the standard term encompassing quarter notes, eighth notes, and so on.

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accidental signs change pitch, but accidental notes are those which have been modified by sings to be out of the scale of a piece. This definition becomes shaky in pieces that don't use the diatonic scale.

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This article is about notes, not MIDI. The musical definition is leading. I have added the shortfall of MIDI as a remark. Shortening the octave is also not consistent with denoting A in the last column.

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Japanese also use this system. i-ro-ha stuff are very dated counting system. not specific to music. my wife (japanese) had never heard about using i-ro-ha for notes. you can learn more about it there.

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You should round to nearest (not up). Using finite precision arithmetic you will almost never get exact values. And by the way the MIDI scale for microtuning can also handle the fractional part. −

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looks even better, since "#" and the true flat symbol are usually slanted. Consecutive italics have wider spacing as well, so the intervening space is not needed. This leads to a revised advice:

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Looking at JFQ's comment above, how about to include a table that would contain a comparison of the note names across different languages? I will be happy to collect all contributions on my

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Ah good to know. Going back to the original problem, i only added the brackets because the program will do calculations in parentheses or brackets first. Thank you for all of your help. -

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I dunno... it doesn't seem to me that there would be enough to write about each note to justify giving each one its own article. Such facts could probably be presented in a list here at

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Mozart's music contained "too many notes" he was referring to the way the music sounded, not the way it was written. I'm therefore adding this second definition to the article.

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names. Also, the "French/Italian/Spanish/Portuguese" row should include names for the sharp and flat notes. I don't know the specifics for each language, but they likely follow

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of note would be a musical note. Outside of an obvious musical context I would normally expect the addition of musical in front of note as a method of disambiguation. I would

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Skandinavian system, which is actualy the German system: Germans, Austrians, countries formerly pats of Austria-Hungarian Empire (Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia, Hungaria)

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this usage of sharp and flat nomenclature is really secondary and relates only to the verbal usage of speaking about notes. I replaced it with the common usage in notation.

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This seems just plain wrong. There may be only 12 designated pitch classes, but there are clearly more than twelve labeled frequencies. The beginning of the article says:

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Nice work, but it's very Western-centric. There are 24 note octaves and so-on. Indian, Arabic, etc. Anyone with an in-depth knowledge of non-Western music out there? --

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most of the world uses Guido D'Arezzo's system. Could anyone back this up please? I'm very surprised by how little mention of this system this article makes. Thanks.

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Seriously, the answer is that thinking of "Do" as the beginning of note-naming, or the "first" note in a scale, is a very recent invention, whereas the association of

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but at school, japanese use Do Re Mi Fa So La Si small difference, So is spelled without the l and Si is Shi, since they dont have final L sound and Si sound.

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The northern European countries generally use either of these systems, with the "H" variant dominant mainly in Germany (and if you say so, perhaps Finland).

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Removing links intended to promote websites or products is not arbitrary, but in keeping with Knowledge (XXG) policy. Please see WP:LINKS for details.

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Usage seems to focus on the Netherlands and Belgium, but some German refs were found as well. I have made the wording in the article more balanced. −

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Done. And I forgot to put a source note in -- it's the Oxford Companion to Music, 10th ed, 1970. (which I bought for a quid in a library sale!) --

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article doesn't explain why "tree" is represented in French by "arbre" rather than "très", which would be the logical choice. </smartaleck: -->

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Does anybody know why this is, by the way? I looked in Grove the other day to find out, but it didn't explain it. I'm losing sleep over it. --

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syllables with note names is much more ancient. I don't think it's necessary to explain this misunderstanding in the article, however. —

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Specifically: the event of a sound being played in a piece of music, or the symbol in printed music representing the sound to be played.

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a note is either a unit of fixed pitch that has been given a name, or the graphic representation of that pitch in a notation system

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As someone who knows almost nothing about music, one sentence in the "note frequency" section seems problematic to me. It says:

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Probably not on platforms where Unicode is not supported; there should be something like alt text for Unicode characters.....

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has been created to address the sharps/flats issue. I would suggest it be used instead. For example: {{music|sharp}} produces

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Speaking of which, the table of note values could be expanded with small graphics of each one. I'd be happy to do that. --

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My Oxford Companion has plenty on this, but it'll take me a while to write up ... I'll try & work on it tonight -

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The article gracefully fails to explain why is Do represented by C and not by A, which would be the logical choice.

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The article already qualifies its statements with the phrase "now-standard tuning pitch for most Western music". --

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A lot of this stuff is info that belongs on the Scale and Notation pages and is not relevant to an article on notes

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I'm glad you now recognise the existence of the system using Bes. That is no reason to kick it from the table. −

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No indication that a musical note is the obvious primary topic. My first association with the word is actually

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Tarquin's bold moves on the tuning page inspired me to tackle this article. Here's what I deleted and why:

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because Wiki articles feed other sources, worldwide, avoid unicodes for sharp/flat or use words (such as:

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Shouldn't there be something in the lead about the usage of the word "tone" (US) to mean "note" (UK)? --

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begin with a major scale. Its major scale happens to start on the third pitch, which Boethius called C.

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topic to find at "note", as this isn't the Music Encyclopedia. Replace with the disambiguation page --

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Why you guys put math and science stuff all over the article? Makes it fairly confusing to read.

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and German system found only in NL (and not normally or perhaps even only very rarely in BE, see

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before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template

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Sorry about that. The template meant to indicate a target page was undecided upon at the time.

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You are partially right. a′= A4 = 440 Hz = MIDI note 69. I have adjusted the octave numbers. −

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Again this is all key/scale/notation stuff that is duplicated (over and over again) elsewhere.

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A given piece of music will define at it's beginning The set of accidentals used defines the

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There are more than 12 named fixed pitch units, and more than 12 graphic representations....

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articles. The stuff about score and staff really belongs somewhere else. There is already a

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away from a note of the scale. It also has a name and a symbol in the notation of the music.

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I rather like that idea; we could also include lists of compositions in respective key. --

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Why, what, where, and how does this article need additional citations for verification?

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I think you pretty much said what needs to be said ;-) B flat is written B, B is H --

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has more of this kind of information. Maybe we could add a diagram to this article.--

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I felt this was unecessarily complex and didn't really add any useful information.

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IE still doesn't show it :O (lack of fonts?) Firefox shows it very well :) :)

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about what they assume to be the system in use in Germany and Scandinavia. --

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Update: The full move has now been done, and I have also moved all links to

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https://web.archive.org/web/20081219095621/http://www.adamsatoms.com/notes/

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links to lower case, I assume "double miniscule" means double lower case.

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Why don't you leave out the brackets around (69 + 12) as in the formula?−

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As has been discussed and more or less agreed before, using an italic

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A picture and simple description of the basic music accidentals image

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C Do D Re E Mi F Fa G Sol A La B Si

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Do sostenido for sharp, e.g., and Si bemol for bemol. In Spanish. --

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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Another style of notation, rarely used in English...

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