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First of all, that would be 380 million in 1992-money and 480 million in 1999-money. Secondly, NSB incurred a cost for having non-functioning locomotives for several years, including having to operate expensive Di 3s. So yes, NSB got back more than they paid, but that was just to cover their costs.
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I've added the two rail.lu links and written a little on the background for the CFL lease and the reduction of speed. Thank you for finding the other sources (I had found
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but was removed. It's not clear why the difference exists - the vehicles have been operated in more than one country - so the two top speeds may apply to each country. Or the may refer to different definitions of top speed, or a typo - I don't know. Needs clarity.
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I think the article is well written and illustrated with typical images of liveries and trains operated. A number of key technical points need mentioning or clarifying - this only need amount to a small amount of additional text, essentially to disambiguate.
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