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Margaret Court and her titles are complete jokes, she won the majority in the amateur era playing against a bunch of unathletic housewives. The 65 titles you are referring to are also completely irrelevant since only singles titles are to be counted when considering who is the greatest of all time.
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But not in the lead. It's already in the legacy section. And just because he wins another major still doesn't do it. There is a lot more than just numbers or
Emerson would have been the greatest for a long time. Has he won a Grand Slam... no. has he won two Grand Slams... no. GOAT is a water cooler
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Djokovic is also widely regarded as one of the best players of all-time in his respective sport. So no issue. As for the water cooler greatest, that has always been for fun and not really encyclopedic. Numbers alone don't tell the story or the womens goat would have been settled decades and decades
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Well for the time being I will add he is "widely regarded" as one of the greatest tennis players of all time, since everybody acknowledges that statement in the tennis community, including the media, players, coaches and Fyunck as well. Once he passes
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While everyone is entitled to their opinions, that is a sad misinformed commentary. The amateur era affected the men, but not so much the ladies. And people can use whatever criteria they want with water cooler topics such as greatest player. It's what makes it fun. Not encyclopedic, but fun.
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It is sad you do not realize how great those players were. A lot of those players barely scraped by with the under-the-table money they earned and had to leave tennis early so they could eat. But this is not a blog for greatness discussions or history lessons. Take that somewhere else.
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