1062:. Raw vote counts were 3 in favor of a separate section (not including an additional named editor who was active in editing the article while this was the consensus, but did not participate in this discussion), 4 expressing favor of a subsection of the Career section (including one editor who had already voted for the separate section), and 1 editor in favor of keeping it in the Career section without a sub-heading (I am interpreting all IP commenters as one individual, as I see no evidence to the contrary). A few other editors also expressed opinions without making discernible votes. Arguments on all sides were largely couched in terms of how similar information is represented in other articles, although the lone editor who preferred to keep all of the content under the main Career header also attempted to bludgeon this discussion and repeatedly accused others of having a "personal motivation" and attempted to use bureaucratic arguments to derail opposition while themselves ignoring consensus and other basic norms of Knowledge (XXG) discussions.
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version with a personal life several times. Which means it is the consensus by default and the single IP hopper is the one against it. So when the IP accused me of violating consensus, I laughed it off due to the hypocrisy. I have no problem telling you that my personal opinion is that
Watsuki's situation is not a big deal at all, what he possessed was legal in Japan up until 2014, so if anything I would downplay it not emphasize it like the IP suggested. For some reason IP thinks putting legal troubles in a Personal life section, somehow emphasizes that one thing over everything else in the same section. How does one respond to something as ridiculous as that? As I stated in my last edit summary to the article, the IP has no argument.
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If you find any sources that clarify it was just gravure modeling from a reliable source, feel free to add it. Until then, I don't see why the changes need to be made, and your explanations seem to be less on facts and more on morals. I will step away from this topic for the time being and will allow
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So am I not cooperative just because I do not agree with other editors? The incident is in the career section for over 1 year, therefore the edit which tries to change is considered a bold edit, so the editor must provide a valid reason to do so, and what have been provided are "the cause is related
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Adding subsections can be an option, but the subsections will be according to his works, not an event. Emphasizing a single particular event is not good according to
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I do however agree with the IP(s) that the incident was mainly reported in the context of the mangaka's manga career, so it also makes sense to keep it under the "Career" section. Perhaps we could put the incident into a subsection under the "Career" section. The "Career" section is starting to look
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Someone off camera being naked is completely different than saying a video with a naked girl, if someone off camera being naked is considered pornography then almost every single modeling event, swim suit event ever is pornography because off camera they're naked. Saying they're "scantily clad," is
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And your attitude to ignore other articles is not good. You just keep repeating "we do not care about other articles", but it is common that editors refer to other developed articles to see how good articles treat similar incident. Now you are ignoring those and claim "we do as we like". And no one
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Hello, is this a new person or the same IP hopper? (See why I tried to avoid this?) The editor who made that edit has been blocked, so that's taken care of. You listed a bunch of sources, and if you were the one who caught the mistranslation - good job, but no one is arguing over sources here. What
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I refrained from commenting for numerous reasons. First, dealing with an IP hopper complicates everything. Second, my edits clearly improve the article and therefore speak for themselves. This is supported by the fact that myself, lullabying, and Tintor2 (not to mention various IPs) reverted to the
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Japanese media reported he got 起訴 or 逮捕. Japanese media only reported he got "書類送検", which means "being referd to prosecutors". So English media reporting "charged" or "arrested" mistranslated Japanese articles. So far, Japan times is the only English
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The sources state that the DVDs had videos of naked girls and whatever "definition" you want to go by doesn't change the fact that he was fined for possession of child pornography and that affected the serialization of his works. Also, while I will not debate you over your claims, please know that
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Years late, but the user you are replying to (OP) was perfectly respectful and reasonable. They said "there appears to be an attempt"; this is a perfectly reasonable statement and a valid concern for controversial pages. They are not saying "there is definitely an attempt". If anything, statements
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and deliberately attacking other editors. I am not trying to make this incident stand out, but simply finding a solution that everyone can agree on. All the other editors on here are suggesting to put it in a subsection or a "Personal life" section and I am balancing between those compromises. You
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There appears to be an attempt to whitewash the child pornography charges. There is no personal section, where this should be, but it's included in his career. I would advocate that the section head remain; without it, it gets buried at the end of a wall of text regarding the minutiae of his work
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every single perspective that conflicts with your own in even the slightest detail (even when they make concessions towards middle ground solutions that are not required of them), and claiming that anyone opposing your view has not provided "any valid reasoning" for their perspectives--when every
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A personal life section will suffice just fine, but this is clearly not a topic which is primarily about the subject's career (no matter that the two subjects are both incidentally discussed together in some sources because the news of the illegal activity impacted work on his latest project).
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is separating the info and the edit summary is "It's a serious crime and people should know". So we can clearly see the editor tried to separate the info to fulfill his personal objective "to make the incident stand out so that people know the crime". Of course
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IP, having it under a subsection won't emphasize it too much. Like
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on it's importance. Frankly, you seem a bit invested in this, but while it's entirely possible that the consensus will move this into the personal life section as opposed to an independent section, it's pretty clear you are alone in advocating for it being in the career section and that your
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I read the earlier closed discussion, and while I like that the "Career" section is broken into two parts for readability, I still feel that the non-career aspect of his crimes are important. Like, keeping that subheading in "career" is fine, but certain personal stuff, like him admitting an
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Ok, but could you just write gravure modeling instead of "naked girls," they're naked, but they aren't actually depicted in the films themselves naked from the point of view of the camera. The fact that I have to point out you shouldn't say 'naked girls' when discussing underage women is
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information in an article- it’s meant to be for someone who wants a general summary of the information below but doesn’t want to read through an entire article of facts to find certain information. I’d say that alleged possession of child porn seems to be pretty important information
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to personal life", "we are not required to follow the Japanese version or other articles where the subject got fined". And I have already explained why they are not valid reasons. That we are not required to follow other articles does not mean we need to take a different layout.
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It's common knowledge girls there above the age of 12 used to be in model videos. They're considered pornography because the girls are teens and they are enticing, it has nothing to do with what Americans think of pornographic material, it's closer to swim wear advertising.
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And why do you only care about cause? If the result has something to do with the career, the incident should be mentioned in the career section. And I proved above that the sources reported the incident together with the hiatus and the resumption of the Hokkaido
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At first I thought in a similar way. Once I read the discussion, I support the claim Knowledge (XXG) is not a place to exaggerate a single particular event. It seems the author was not even arrested, and he only got fined $ 2000. Other articles such as
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attraction to elementary and secondary school girls, or how his fine has been reacted to by japanese shounen jump fans (NOT just western fanbases) and how his mentored now-friends didn't really react could be in the "personal life" section too.
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I guess I sort of understand where you’re coming from. Alright, whatever. But still, I think it should definitely be added to the lead at some point, if not now then at least later on when more information on the situation is revealed.
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even if it were expressly labelled to reference this event. That said, discussing it in a personal life section is also a perfectly reasonable option and an acceptable one as a middle ground solution to the content dispute here.
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The articles only report information about his career to give context as to who he is. The charges aren't directly related to his work. I think information about his charges would be perfectly okay under "Personal life" (i.e.
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directly related to their careers. His career did not cause it -- the articles provided only give context to who he is in relation to him being in the news, and his career was only impacted because of his charges.
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the incident in the career section because the sources reported the hiatus and the resumption of the Hokkaido arc together with the incident, so we also should mention the incident in the career section.--
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