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phosphorus should be named as metalloids if selenium is named so. All "diagonal carbon group" (C, P, Se, I, even Rn which have some cationic behaviour) exhibits intermediate proprties between typical nonmetals and typical metalloids ("diagonal boron group", especially: B, Si, As and Te). I think it is "unjust" when selenium is named as metalloid and carbon and phosphorus "only" nonmetals. Phosphorus have lower electronegativity than Se and C and should be also named as "weak metalloid". Ionic sodium selenide (similar to oxide of Na, easily reacts with water) and telluride (highly soluble in water). Black phosphorus have much higher melting point (about 600 C) than gray selenium. Very hard to melt, grayish-black lustrous graphite which is better conductor of heat and electricity (often used in electrodes, such as harder glassy carbon) than many metalloids at normal conditions definately does not fit to nonmetals, but to metalloids (semimetals), such as gray selenium and black phosphorus. Naming selenium as (half)metalloid and classifying carbon and phosphorus as only nonmetals is even flawful and should not be used. Even insulating and transparent diamond (less metallic than graphte form of carbon) is not so much like other, typical nonmetallic elements (density compared to atomic mass, heat conductivity, melting point, hardness - they are associated with metals (especially heavy), but diamond is in it better than all examined metals! (paradox)). It is rather like compound of metal and nonmetal like aluminium oxide, which can also be very hard.
5266:: To some extent, as you alluded earlier, a nonmetal is something that is not a metal. The implication being that metals have so shaped civilisations over thousands of years that everyone, including lay readers, know that metals are shiny, usually heavy, and good conductors of heat (a hot car under the sun) and electricity (lightning rods, etc). So the term “nonmetal” just by itself conveys much information already. The Br mention is meant to suggest that while Br is the only liquid metal, it is so volatile that one usually encounters it together with its fumes i.e. gaseous vapours. So the nonmetals are almost all either gases or solids, unlike the metals which are all solids, bar one. Otherwise, having to account for Br as the only liquid nonmetal becomes rather exasperating in terms of prose construction. I’ll look at this some more along the lines of your suggestion, and maybe post, revert, and ping you a link, if something good comes of it (or not). 5214:“In chemistry, a nonmetal is a chemical element that generally lacks a predominance of metallic properties. They are nearly all gases or solids at room temperature, such as oxygen or sulfur. The only liquid nonmetal, bromine, is usually topped by a layer of its fumes. They typically lack the shiny appearance of metals, have low weight, and are poor thermal and electrical conductors. The solid nonmetals are brittle to crumbly, cannot be flattened into sheets or easily drawn into wires without shattering or breaking, and have low to no structural strength. Nonmetal atoms are moderately to highly electronegative; they tend to attract electrons in chemical reactions and to form acidic compounds.” 1179:
because it lies more to the right (belong to carbon diagonal group, not to boron diagnonal group, such as silicon)).Phosphorus has the lowest electronegativity in Pauling scale from all of them, it is quite similar to metalloid arsenic, maybe even more to nonmetal nitrogen. White phosphorus deforms view on metallicity of phosphorus. In addition, black ("metallic") phosphorus is the most stable allotrope of this element. Phosphorus (gaseous elements: hydrogen and radon also) have lower electronegativity than some heavy metals, especially gold. Phosphorus also have significally lower electronegativity than carbon, selenium and iodine.
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elements and its hydride is not acidic like hydride of sulfur, ("infamous") selenium and even typically metalloidal tellurium! Black phosphorus is, in addition, the most thermodynamically stable form of element number 15. Not this low-melting whitish waxy poison known as tetraphosphorus. Metalloid arsenic also has highly nonmetallic allotrope (unstable and really light yellow arsenic), but main form of As has even better electrical conductivity in normal conditions than manganese. Phosphides are also often quite metallic, they are similar to arsenides.
1174:(C, P, Se, I) are significantly more metallic than nonmetals on the right of then, but less metallic than typical metalloids on the left side of periodic table. Most stable form of semimetalloids appear as greyish(-black) solid with lustre similar to metals (graphite, black phosphorus, grey selenium, crystalline iodine), unlike main forms of nonmetals. They are also better electrical and thermal conductors (it is significantly less marked it the case of iodine). Lighter semimetalloids have higher melting point than heavier (graphite : --> 5375:, fyi that I’ve incorporated your good suggestions here to the extent that I feel is practical and appropriate. I’m reluctant to say something in the lede about "metalloids" as a sometimes third class (notwithstanding they behave chemically as nonmetals) given the lede is supposed to give the lay reader an overall impression of the subject matter, and it currently does that. In my view, more details about the pesky or mysterious metalloids can be left to the main body of the article, as is currently the case. 4021:
same in chemistry with regard to what is a metal(?), there being no rigorous definition. Thus the topic sentence of the next paragraph in the nonmetal lede says, "While the term dates from at least 1708, it has no widely-agreed precise definition." OTOH metals have an average density of ca. 9.5 gm/cm3 whereas the nonmetal average is ca 1.8 gm/cm3, noting there are light metals such beryllium, magnesium and aluminium, and relatively heavier nonmetallic elements such as antimony, and tellurium.
3950:. It also seems to me that defining a nonmetal as something that is a not a metal is a redundancy that is further inconsistent with the spirit of plain English. It further imparts nothing to the reader since it requires them to know what the (common) properties of a metal are. Probably most people do and since two of these properties are a shiny appearance and good electrical conductivity there is scope to erroneously conclude that graphite (carbon) is a metal. 3239:. Thank you. I didn't see these comments because, oddly enough and up to now, the nonmetal article was not on my watchlist. I appreciate your interest and advice, the basis for which I understand. I'll add something about this to the compilation of unstated FAC "rules" and expectations that ought to be made visible to all potential FAC nominees. I'll share it at FAC talk after nonmetal attains its bronze star, if not this time then at a subsequent FAC. 1878:, the author of the cited work uses the electronegative/very electronegative terminology only for what we call the reactive non-metals. Elsewhere he uses the standard "noble gas" nomenclature. Hence "Non-electronegative nonmetal (noble gas)" wouldn't be kosher. That aside, the expression "non-electronegative" would be awkward since at least Kr and Xe have electronegativity values, and it is these values that the distinction is partly based on. 31: 4645:, shininess, and ability to conduct heat and electricity. They don't have the characteristics of metals, which are typically shiny silvery-gray solids; moderate to good conductors; and can be molded, shaped or hammered into thin wires or threads without crumbling or shattering. Nonmetals may have a metallic, colorless or colored appearance, with about half being gases and half being brittle to crumbly solids. They are moderate to high in 2331:(2) The colour categories, which incorporated metal-metalloid-nonmetal, were dropped from the lede PT in the FA periodic table article for various reasons including, as I understand from my reading of WP:ELEM, to provide more flexibility in related articles. Certainly the concept of metal-metalloid-nonmtal exists but its application in the literature, compared to metals-nonmetals, is not consistent. Even so, there is still a an FA 739: 718: 698: 658: 633: 610: 594: 569: 553: 537: 506: 470: 3298:
sometimes counted as nonmetals, are rather OK such conductors. For thermal conductivity, metals range from 6.3 W m K to 429 for silver. The thermal conductivities of the following nonmetallic elements fall within this range: B, C, Si, Ge, P, As, Sb. The third sentence in the lede does say however, "Unlike metals, most nonmetals are poor conductors of heat and electricity."
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Consequently, which elements are recognised as nonmetals depends on the classification criteria used by each author. Fourteen elements are effectively always included and up to about nine more elements are frequently to sometimes added, as shown in the accompanying periodic table extract. Some authors classify borderline elements into an intermediate category of
4039:, I interpret it to mean "having relatively low mass" (i.e., low atomic mass, which I, Xe, and Rn certainly do not have). If "having relatively low density" was instead the intended meaning, I would suggest rewording or relocating. This ties in with YBG's comment: especially in the opening sentence, we want a definition that accurately describes an element 1592:"It has a varying half-life length, depending upon atmospheric conditions (temperature, humidity, and air movement). In a sealed chamber with a fan that moves the gas, ozone has a half-life of approximately a day at room temperature. Some unverified claims imply that ozone can have a half life as short as a half an hour under atmospheric conditions." 2092: 2049: 1618: 846: 811: 363: 1330:
nonmetals. The same is true to black phosphorus and grey selenium. Iodine also looks like a metalloid, not like a nonmetal. Carbon exhibits borderline metalloidl and nonmetallic properties, such as phosphorus and selenium. I think that it is better when C, P and Se (not only Se) are marked as "half-nonmetals" and "half-metalloids".
5154:"In chemistry, a nonmetal is a chemical element judged to have a predominance of characteristic properties such as being transparent or colored; having a low weight; low to no structural strength; poor thermal conductivity; poor electrical conductivity; low melting point; low boiling point; and a tendency to form acidic compounds." 4750:
heat. These problems go away by distinguishing between typical and less typical nonmetals, consistent with the fact that nonmetals show a variation in the degree of their nonmetallic character. Describing nonmetals in terms of what they aren’t is not plain English, and should be mostly avoidable, in my view, with careful crafting.
1795:(a complementary and arguably non-controversial term) is a more natural way of categorising the nonmetals. The foundations of nonmetal chemistry rest upon the reactive nonmetals; that some of the noble gases could form compounds was not discovered until 1962, and since then less than 1,000 such compounds have been synthesised. 1334:
nonmetal, but its level of metallicity is much more similar to iodine, a "diatomic nonmetal", not to other polyatomic nonmetals (C, P and Se). Radon (monoatomic nonmetal) and hydrogen (diatomic nonmetal) are more metallic than fluorine (diatomic nonmetal). I think that division to six metallicity classes could be better:
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agreement that they share a common attribute of being "reactive" nonmetals, in comparison to the noble gases. For example, the terms "less reactive", "reactive", "typically reactive", "more reactive", "highly reactive", and "most reactive nonmetals" are all found in the literature in connection with non-noble nonmetals.
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A nonmetal is a chemical element deemed to lack a preponderance of metallic properties such as luster, deformability, good thermal and electrical conductivity, and the capacity to form a basic (rather than acidic) oxide. Since there is no rigorous definition of a nonmetal, some variation exists among
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What does "near-universal" refer to? Does it mean almost every nonmetal is used in at least one of these applications, or does it mean that almost every one of these applications involves a nonmetal? The reader should not have to stop, in the lead, to sort out what a sentence is saying. As written,
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is the fundamental difference. The Lead seems to be dodging this because it is deemed to be too technical perhaps? But I see no way round it. As it stand, the article is not accurate and this is a major problem. Don't dump accuracy in favour of simplicity or you might just as well say metals are made
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in metals. The tensile strength of metals, their high melting point , opacity, ductility and conductance are all because of that bond and an understanding of the metallic bond requires quantum theory. Non-metals (and the term is informal) show a broader variety of properties because of they way they
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Among other nonmetallic elements, the definition accommodates the noble gases, the halogen gases F and Cl, the halogen liquid Br, and the residual nonmetallic gases H, N and O, since these are all crumbly if frozen. The definition further includes physical and chemical properties, as would seem to be
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apart from other problems, the current lede image has these formatting issues: (1) naming provocatively incorrect; (2) red bg color for matalloids does not match current enwiki standard; (3) using white for a regular subclass (1 of 4) is inconsistent, same color is (more correctly) used for off-topic
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Division looks quite good! The least typical of "typical nonmetals" is sulfur of course, but has less metalloidal properties than near-metalloids. Can polymeric (non oligomeric, such as octasulfur) sulfur be stable at STP? At higher temperatures sulfur is more "metalloidal" because it polymerizes and
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has asked me to take a look at the prose. I am delighted to accept; this is an important article on a subject I am fascinated by and which is dear to me. Could I ask regular editors to watch what I am doing; even though I have read the FAC and this talk page, I might inadvertently change the meaning
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Yes, it might be optimal to keep comments on the peer review, but now that this is here, copying it over would just create a jumble. It might be clearer if, once we get this sorted, I just add a link there back to this discussion here, so everything is included without the need to copy. I understand
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Also, as much as I'd like to engage, I don't expect to have any significant free time for the next two months, so my contributions there will likely only be a few isolated comments and responses. Moreover, I'm happy to offer a second opinion on more generic content (or some crossovers with physics),
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Graphite is defintely not a nonmetallic substance. It has very high melting and boiling point, its electrical and thermal conductivity is far much more similar to metallic than nonmetallic. In ddition it is metal-like looking and grey in pure form. Graphite itself passes better to metalloids, not to
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The proposed adaption is unintentionally misleading where it says, "They don't have the characteristics of metals, which are typically shiny silvery-gray solids; moderate to good conductors." C, a nonmetal, is a shiny gray solid and a good conductor. H, a nonmetal, is a moderately good conductor of
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is not required. The definition (now) has a simple and relatively easy to follow sentence structure. It is written in plain English, noting that technical terms are permitted in plain English where there are no plainer equivalents. Since the subject matter itself is technical, a few technical terms
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If I were you, I would not resubmit next week. After working through the ce you were doing and this feedback, it may be wise to contact one of the people commenting on your second FAC and ask for them to go over the article once more. A nomination that reviewers feel comes too fast after a previous
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While the properties of the reactive nonmetals are diverse, the overall contrast with the noble gases is marked. And the reactive nonmetals are regularly distinguished from the elements commonly recognised as metalloids (B, Si, Ge, As, Sb, Te) despite the predominantly non-metallic chemistry of the
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4. This division is close to the current categories. Alkali metals, alkaline earths, lanthanides and actinides ≈ strong metals; TMs ≈ typical metals; poor metals = poor metals; metalloids = metalloids; polyatomic nonmetals ≈ near metalloids; diatomic metals ≈ typical nonmetals and strong nonmetals;
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Graphite conducts electricity, but it does it in a different fashion than metals do. It has unbonded electrons which are not part of a metallic bond. This is why it is a better conductor the hotter it gets, whereas metals tend to be poorer conductors when hot. So it is a conductor but not due to
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Sulfur (polyatomic nonmetal) is less metallic than iodine (diatomic nonmetal). Iodine belongs to diagonal carbon group, sulfur to diagonal nitrogen group. Sulfur has lower conductivity of electricity and heat than iodine, sulfur looks nonmetallic, but iodine looks greyish and has metal-like luster.
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Is "by each author" redundant ? Other than that, I'm satisfied with the readability of the lead and will move on to the body starting tomorrow. I am still concerned about the "always, frequently, sometimes" construct, as it may still feel too synth-y to get by FAC, but I will propose a way to fix
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digestible, clear, thorough and understandable as a non-chemist (although I still think the fumes are adding verbiage that is unnecessary and lost on a general audience). If others are satisfied, I'll continue tomorrow (doc app't today) my line-by-line, at the peer review, but wish others would be
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5 gm/cm. The intended meaning of "light", given most metals are heavy, is "low density". In what sense were you saying no one would agree that I, Xe or Rn are relatively light? The "relatively" qualifier is there in the sense that there is no rigorous definition of a nonmetal. The situation is the
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Changing the article title to "Nonmetal element" would be helpful. The first sentence of the lede makes clear that this is specifically about elements, but then abandons any readers who are looking to learn about materials that are non-metals in general; they have to scan the whole article to find
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In the first sentence, stating the poor electrical and thermal conductivity would be much more helpful than the rather technical mention of tending to form acidic compounds, which makes the noble gasses and ammonia feel unwelcome. The pure semiconductors are poor conductors compared to metals, and
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Terms such as "alkaline earth metal", "polyatomic nonmetal", "diatomic nonmetal", "halogen", "noble gas" do not indicate metallic character. Beryllium is a meta-metal (metallic element with some mrked (chemical) metalloidal properties), but not a metalloid (such as aluminium). Sulfur is polyatomic
5052:"some ..." (ouch) properties lists. Being science, still no predictions are (can be) made for lesser known elements. For edxample, what about the heavy halogens and nobles? How can they be excluded/included from these statements/claims/notes if there is no scientific base for these two properties? 4984:
Although the majority of elements are metals, many nonmetals are among the most common elements in Earth and the universe. Two nonmetals, hydrogen and helium, make up about 99% of ordinary matter in the observable universe by mass. Five nonmetallic elements, hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and
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The Goldhammer-Herzfeld ratio for an element = R/V where R is the isolated atom’s molar refractivity and V is the molar volume for the bulk element. The ratio has no units. It is a simple measure of how metallic an element is, metals having values ≥ 1. It is proportional to density (Edwards &
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I mention a tendency to form acidic compounds as I feel it's important to say something about the chemistry of the nonmetals. I haven't included poor electrical conductivity in the first sentence of the lede since graphite is a rather good electrical conductor, and arsenic and antimony, which are
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This sentence can mean two things. I think it's meaning to say that there are a few nonmetals that are difficult to measure: maybe because they have a low life time. It could also mean that some are harder to place in a category, but then it would be redundant with the second sentence. The second
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It looks to us that the most widely accepted and long-standing categorisation of the nonmetals, at least conceptually, is a division into noble gases (an IUPAC-approved term) and, by default, "the rest of the nonmetals". There is no widely agreed terminology for the latter but there is widespread
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A nonmetal is a chemical element that has low density and moderate to high electronegativity. They also lack metallic attributes such as luster, deformability, good thermal and electrical conductivity, and low electronegativity. Since there is no rigorous definition of a nonmetal, some variation
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version, the article has undergone a full rewrite, as in: from scratch. Also, there are multiple FAC and similar targeted discussions since. Well, one piece de resistance I know of: while color and state of matter are not defining nor distinguisihing for nonmetals, and not analysed as related to
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dates from at least 1566, there is no widely-agreed precise definition of a nonmetal. Elements near the borderline between metals and nonmetals on the periodic table often have properties characteristic of both categories, so that different classifications can be justified by different criteria.
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The definition first refers to the relative lightness of nonmetals since the heaviness of naturally occurring metals such as gold, copper, and iron may have been noticed in prehistory and, in light of their malleability, led to the first attempts to craft metal ornaments, tools, and weapons. All
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iodine). Carbon has also some similarities to silicon and boron (very high melting point, formation of hard allotropes (glassy carbon (7 Mohs), diamond (10 Mohs), carbides, borides and silicides are often very hard, names of these three elements end at "-on", carbon has less metallic properties,
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About half of nonmetallic elements are gases; most of the rest are shiny solids. Bromine, the only liquid, is so volatile that it is usually topped by a layer of its fumes; sulfur is the only colored solid nonmetal...Nonmetals that form giant structures...(e.g. silicon), have higher melting and
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The "after" version is less prescriptive and more in keeping with the literature, which tends to focus on what nonmetals aren't rather that what they are. It also removes the reference to electronegativity. I cannot see any easy alternative place in the article for the accompanying density v EN
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I’ve retained "colour" since 4 of 23 elements or 1 in 6 of elements within scope of the article are colored; conversely the fact that 3 of 95 or ca. 1 in 32 metals are known to be coloured is effectively meaningless. Color for nonmetals is significant in that the band gaps of the semiconducting
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The lead sentence has been recently changed to read "a nonmetal is a chemical element that is typically a colorless or colored gas, such as oxygen or chlorine, and a poor conductor of heat and electricity." I see at least two major problems with this phrasing. First, nonmetals are a variety of
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I’ve just read your remarkable feedback. The article has been considerably refined since then. I’ve responded to your comments in any event given how much care you took in providing them. Quite impressive. Thank you. Sorry about mucking up some of your bullet formatting. I was getting some odd
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For reference, the updated article includes a table of alterative nonmetal categorisation schemes found in the literature, none of which have attained widespread use. Knowledge (XXG) has used two of these schemes in the past namely (1) other nonmetals, halogens, noble gases; and (2) polyatomic
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Se, P and C are in the same level of metallicity. They can be marked as "half-metalloids" and "half-nonmetals". Phosphorus has even lower electronegativity than some heavy metals (such as gold) and black phosphorus is a metalloid which has higher melting point (about 600 C) than less metallic
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In German Knowledge (XXG) selenium is considered metalloid, but carbon and phosphorus are equated to fluorine and oxygen in metallicity (C and P are named as just nonmetals). Selenium is marked as half metalloid and half nonmetal in periodic table template in German Knowledge (XXG). Carbon and
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This is of course just a statement of "tendencies". Given all the edge cases everywhere, I think it's a better approach than listing individual cases. It can be argued that C, As, Sb, and Bi are only forming quasi-metallic structures anyway, since the atoms are not equivalently positioned and
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S and I are not that clear. By my reckoning, and for the following fifteen properties: first ionization energy; electron affinity; standard reduction potential; melting point; boiling point; liquid range; most stable oxidation state; ductility or malleability; appearance; Goldhammer-Herzfeld
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I still feel that the topic should be defined before branching into specific examples or elements, which only confuses the layreader. At least move sentences two and three to the end, after the definition, but reading about a layer of fumes at the very beginning of the article is just odd.
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Most nonmetals have biological, technological or domestic roles or uses. Living organisms are composed almost entirely of the nonmetals hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen. Near-universal uses for nonmetals are in medicine and pharmaceuticals; lasers and lighting; and household items.
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Au and Pt are physically good metals, but chemically they are not good metals. (Typical) poor metals are low-melting, soft and have quite high electronegativity. Their chemistry is metalloidal in some way, even at low oxidation states. Group 12 elements also have domination of poor metal
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Thank you. If we actually did something like this I wouldn't bother with the categories of polyatomic nonmetal and diatomic metal. There would only be the categories of near metalloid; typical nonmetal; and strong nonmetal. Au and Pt are not poor metals. They are nowhere near that: see
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back in the day, I think, and it had similar problems to this. Is this an article about the concept of nonmetallicity? Or a survey of the various nonmetals and their chemical and physical properties? To what extent should we try to carry along the general reader into tricky ideas like
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The article says "Only eighteen elements in the periodic table are generally considered nonmetals, compared to over eighty metals, but nonmetals make up most of the crust, atmosphere and oceans of the earth. Bulk tissues of living organisms are composed almost entirely of nonmetals."
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State of matter is slightly less irrelevant, because being a liquid/gas at r.t. usually means that a metallic state is thermodynamically unstable. Then again, it means that a large macromolecular structure is also thermodynamically unstable. And in any case this should be explained.
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Carbon high melting point and other not-nonmetallic traits in its allotropes does not make it more metallic than "diagonal boron group", but it should not be included in less metallic group than toxic and forming more acidic hydride than sulfur hydride element with atomic number 34.
2181:, some comments are made (also by me), so the current state of this article might not be fit for GAN. The issues are, IMO, about sub-classification of the nonmetals. Since this also involves the (abandoned?) enwiki 'categorisation' concept, it is wider than this article (and so at 3461:
I also has concerns at the comprehensiveness of the article. What are the enormous uses of the nonmetals? How does nonmetals are discovered since the ancient times? Why do the nonmetal criteria is so convoluted? How about bio-compatibility? There's much to discuss. (criterion 3a)
4455:, so can be interpreted as "a nonmetal is a chemical element that is typically a gas", which is both a vague and inaccurate description. I haven't modified anything myself because of all the discussions regarding the lead; further discussion and suggestions are welcome. Pinging 4400:
This is much better. I'm wondering if the final clause is even necessary in the lede sentence. Certainly the noble gasses are both low density and low strength. If that clause were placed later in the paragraph, you would avoid the "where applicable" language which seems a bit
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The updated nonmetal article sets out the physical and chemical properties of the reactive nonmetals, and the noble gases, and by way of comparison, the metalloids. We think the transition in non-metallic properties, and the distinctiveness of each category, is well borne out.
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changes color to brown-black. Plastic sulfur has low stability and it crystalizes to common, highly nonmetallic form. Hydrogen not always acts like a metal, it can acts like a metal and like a nonmetal. But hydrogen's chemical behavior is clearly strange for a typical nonmetal.
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C, P and Se are "polyatomic near-metalloids" and I and H "diatomic near-metalloids". Compounds such as water or HF, HCl have also really relatively high boiling points when we compare their molar masses to their boiling points in Kelvin scale. Near-metalloids can be marked by
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Don't call them semimetalloids, unless you can find some references in the literature supporting the use of that term. There are no sources in the literature that I know of that categorise these elements as semimetalloids. The closest there is is 'near metalloid' for C, P and
4285:"The hydrogen bond is an attractive interaction between a hydrogen atom from a molecule or a molecular fragment X–H in which X is more electronegative than H, and an atom or a group of atoms in the same or a different molecule, in which there is evidence of bond formation." 4534:
you're busy, but appreciate you keeping an eye on things as you are able; few science-minded editors have the clarity of prose that you do, and I have No Clue when it comes to Chemistry! I kind of liked my attempt at the first paragraph of the lead, but what do I know :)
5727:. This would set out the scope of the article better e.g. plastics, woods and stones, all of which are "nonmetals" in a broad sense, are excluded. This problem doesn't arise with "metalloid" because of the strong association of that word with silicon and germanium etc. 5171:"Solid nonmetals, such as graphitic carbon and sulfur, are brittle to crumbly, and cannot be hammered into sheets or easily drawn into wires without shattering or breaking. Nonmetal atoms are moderate to high in electronegativity; they tend to easily attract electrons." 1952:
You're right about the source. It would nae be kosher. That aside, you would have to use the term "Highly electronegative nonmetal (noble gas)" to be accurate. You could add a note to the category label, and say noble gases have the highest EN values for their period.
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While you all sort the ongoing issues with the definition in the lead, I will postpone my line-by-line at the peer review, where I had next planned to tackle clarity of prose. A good deal of progress has been made, but the article is yet a long ways from FAC ready.
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While the current categories of polyatomic nonmetal (C, P, S, Se) and diatomic nonmetal (H, N, O, F, Cl, Br, I) are objective, being based on the structural motifs of the elements involved, the literature does not approach the chemistry of the nonmetals in this way.
5115:. But for the first sentence of the lead here, it says nothing except a nonmetal is not a metal, which is not entirely helpful for what will be coughed up by Google. It could benefit from one more clause that gives a "such as" overview of the mentioned properties. 4511:
I didn't have the PR on my watchlist, so I don't think I saw your suggestion until just now. My thoughts are pretty much the same as yours: a broad statement qualifying what a nonmetal is. Should I copy-paste this comment to that page to keep the discussion in one
2008:, an IP changed from "odourless" to "odorless". I looked and don't see an ENGVAR template, so maybe you can have a look and see if the national variety has been established and if so, place the appropriate template and either sustain or revert this edit. Ta! 4846:
That just leaves the shiny nonmetals C, P, Se and I; and the part-time nonmetals err metalloids B, Si, Ge, As, Sb, Te. There are no poor conductors here: C, As, Sb are metallic conductors; the rest are semiconductors consistent with their shiny appearance.
2300:(2) the categorisation (classification) metal–metalloid–nonmetals was never dropped nor disputed. That includes their coloring (which is what this is about): still around. Also, the coloring for noble gases and halogens is still in use (even in this image). 3331:
is in the sense of chemical elements. I don't know of a field of study that is devoted to "nonmetal(lic) materials" which would presumably cover e.g. ceramics and glasses, plastics, composites, foams, textiles and presumably nonmetallic liquids and gases.
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Meaningful. The categories should have significance more than just dividing for the sake of dividing. There should be enough within-group similarity and enough between-group dissimilarity so that each group could be the subject of a separate encyclopedia
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The most recent version of the lede is written for the lay reader per SandyGeorgia’s idea. It starts with the basics and then progressively fills in the rest of the details. The idea is to provide the lay reader with a tangible sense of what nonmetals
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YBG, the context for “typical” is that metals are typically solid, shiny, plastic, and good conductors. Conversely, the “typical” nonmetals (H, N, O, S, F, Cl, Br, He, Ne, Ar, Kr, Xe, Rn) are not solid, not shiny, not plastic, and poor conductors (of
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Thanks Graham. All metals we know of are solids apart from Hg. Conversely, the nonmetals that are not shiny are all gases, apart from Br and S. For the lay reader I feel that counts as a fundamental and characteristic difference. Your thoughts?.
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first, and figured the definition was very inclusive, so I clicked through here to find the properties of non-metal, since they are so common in life, I wondered what makes them special. Does anybody know? And care to write it up in the article?
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first. Otherwise, this is breaking good (encyclopedic) logic; it is not a textual issue. To be clear: as long as lede and abody do not match in this sense, I oppose this incidental edit. Also, it is useless to push this change in as a matter of
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Good to hear from you YBG. As you implied that final cause isn't necessary. So I removed it and added a sentence about the reactivity of the nonmetals, that addresses the noble gas question. I'll pass on the definition vs. description question.
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Aside from the noble gases, the literature most commonly deals with nonmetals on a group-by-group basis. Thus, there is + + + + the non-metallic halogens noting we categorise At as a metalloid, albeit it has been predicted to be a metal.
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properties. Nonmetals are often liquids or gases at room temperature, and are brittle when solid. Many have low densities, poor thermal and electrical conductivity, and lack metallic lustre. Chemically, they usually have moderate to high
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elements P, Se, I, B, Si, Ge, and Te are less than the visible spectrum cut off of ca. 1.8 ev, hence their metallic appearance. Conversely the band gaps for red P and S (yellow), for example, are greater hence their coloured appearance.
5059:'s own article writing, no place in the article, and so no reason to even be referred to in the lede. At all. The continuous wrangling with the writing is a prohibitive sign that it is not yet of encyclopedic level or GA stability. The 4404:
As to the issue of definition vs. description (the topic of this section, from which the discussion has wandered): this is a meta-discussion which I think is no longer necessary here. We could, if you wish, continue it in user space or
4485:? I am concerned that I may be spinning my wheels as a non-chemist if others aren't also engaging at the peer review; I'll wait for this to be sorted before I continue at the PR. I was just preparing to start a line-by-line review ... 2618:
Author, actor, and musician articles often have a bibliography, filmography, and discography sections. If the list is long, these sections often include just a link to the subsidiary article. Perhaps this approach could be taken here?
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Different kinds of nonmetallic elements include, for example, (i) noble gases; (ii) halogens; (iii) elements such as silicon, which are sometimes instead called metalloids; and (iv) several remaining nonmetals, such as hydrogen and
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is capable of appraising the prose given the gibberish they have written on this page. What on Earth does "How does nonmetals are discovered since the ancient times?" mean? The question is totally incomprehensible. The review of
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I think that division of nonmetallic elements to semimetalloids, (typical) nonmetals and noble gases (helium group elements, HGE) is better than currenly used division to polyatomic nonmetals, diatomic nonmetals and noble gases.
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Well, I like it. You'll need to explain how to distinguish between strong metals and meta-metals, and how to distinguish between the weaker nonmetals and the typical nonmetals. You'll also need to supply supporting references.
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A ζ-phase appears at 96 GPa when ε-phase oxygen is further compressed. This phase was discovered in 1990 by pressurizing oxygen to 132 GPa. The ζ-phase with metallic cluster has been known to exhibit superconductivity at low
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In chemistry, a nonmetal is a chemical element that generally lacks a predominance of metallic properties; they are typically transparent or non-metallic in appearance, have low weight, and are poor thermal and electrical
1546:. Au has many nonmetallic properties but is still regarded as 'king of the metals'---there are zero mentions in the literature, as far as I know, of Au being referred to as a poor metal or the like. Same goes for Pt. 2249:" The elements shown as metalloids are those commonly regarded as such by authors who recognize such a class; they are included here for comparative purposes since they behave chemically predominately as nonmetals." 217:
Carbon actually has a higher melting and boiling point than any metal, right? Boron is pretty much up there also. I do not think melting and boiling point is much of a guide for determining metals vs nonmetals.
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asserted that "no concept more thoroughly pervades the fabric of modern chemistry". I'd add, "aside from the periodic table and probably the concepts of acids and bases, and metals and nonmetals". The simple EN
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nonmetal-ness in the body, these properties keep appearing in the first sentence. This does not seem like an incident, but a pattern (the property–classification setup). Alas, maybe we'll meet again over this.
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Another long sentence. There must be a simpler way to phrase this. The second word can be a verb or a noun, which forces people to think grammar when reading the sentence. I needed 3 reads to mostly understand
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and metalloids, for comparative purposes. The variable status of metalloid elements is explained on several occasions in the article, in response to the helpful suggestions. The article is the better for these
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So the result is now a definition that is more than negative in expression, followed by the physical distinction between the solids and the rest, and closing with two chemical properties. I hope you like it.
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This is not a definition but a complicated description that practically speaking requires boolean algebra analysis to apply in any specific situation. Compared to this the previous 1st sentence is simplicity
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Feel free to go ahead and do your research and compile a table of the properties of semimetalloids, 'typical' nonmetals, and noble gases, supported by references, and see if you can meet the criteria set out
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Plain English is not simply a matter of avoiding technical vocabulary. It also requires simple, easy to follow sentence structure. This sentence does not qualify as "plain English", and so does not meet the
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The solids are either hard and brittle or soft and crumbly and, in contrast to most metals, tend to be poor conductors of heat and electricity with no structural uses (as is the case for nonmetals generally)
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1. The noble gases and the metalloids are at the opposite ends of the clock. Noble gases have the valence shell configurations that metals and nonmetals aspire to. Metalloids are stuck in the twilight zone.
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after element? Otherwise looks good to me. I know that Sandbh was concerned not to define nonmetals as what they are not, as the second sentence does, but that seems unavoidable. After all, their name is
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The previous general opposition to lists in FAC noms seems to have passed. There can be a lot of item by item content in descriptive chemistry which would otherwise be laborious to render in prose form.
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I intend to edit the article in light of feedback rec’d at FAC #4, and to then list it for the second time at PR. Concerns of the kind raised above, if still outstanding, can be listed in that forum.
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Look, I know that you have worked on an article so hard, yet the article gets reassessed and it seems like no one cares about you. But, I really do understand your stress, and thus I don't nominate
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exists among sources as to which elements are classified as such. The decisions involved depend on which property or properties are regarded as most indicative of nonmetallic or metallic character.
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in the category labels in scheme (3). Would the label "Less electronegative nonmetal (noble gas)" be accurate? I guess that even so, it may not be kosher as the source did not use the term. Sigh.
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is that metals have low EN and nonmetals have high EN. While there is some overlap between the two zones, as tends to be the case for all single criteria, it works well enough for most purposes.
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Thanks for all the comments, suggestions and ideas. Since nonmetals, in chemistry, are those judged to have a predominance of applicable properties, the lede sentence now simply says just that:
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The GH ratio for a graphene layer, within which electron delocalisation occurs in graphite, is therefore (density graphene/density diamond) × ratio for diamond = (5.419/3.514) × 0.62 = ca. 0.95
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metallic conduction comes from interactions between the layers, so even the simplification has a grain of truth to it. (Though since Po is more metallic than Bi, it's still a simplification.)
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The question of what is a nonmetal is a complex area and I’ve tried to address this as plainly as possible, with a view to avoiding redundancy and minimising scope for unnecessary confusion.
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nonmetals, diatomic nonmetals, noble gases, however neither of these have been completely satisfactory or representative of the way the non-noble nonmetals are conceived of in the literature.
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Note that noble gases do not react with nitric acid so that the last part of the definition does not apply to them. This is OK though since they're lighter than iron and crumbly when frozen.
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The C—C bond length in graphene is 1.4210 x 10 cm,^ which translates to the thickness of monolayer graphene. The volume involved is therefore 100 cm x 100 cm x 1.421 x 10 cm = 1.421 x 10 cm
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elements of different states of matter, so we should not open by emphasizing gases, even if a majority are gases, because this is an incomplete and misleading definition of what a nonmetal
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I believe I've finished the major tidying up work. With one exception it will be detail work from here on, with a view to submitting it as a FAC. The exception is to add a cost subsection.
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are, per the article itself, non-defining and even non-descriptive appearances. Their relation to being a nonmetal is not even described or based in the article body. It is not stated as
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in a way which leaves it untrue to the sources, which in most cases I will not have read. (I doubt it, but you never know.) I might start in the next day or two. Just keep me right, ok?
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Boundary overlaps, including with the metalloids, occur as outlying elements among each of the kinds of nonmetals show or begin to show less-distinct, hybrid-like, or atypical properties
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I. As well, not all such compounds are necessarily ionic; it depends on the number of nonmetal atoms bonding to the metal atom. It’s safer to express what’s going on the way it is now.
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2. Among the near metalloids, H has the physical properties of a nonmetal but acts chemically like a metal; C, P, Se and I look like metals but act chemically (mostly) like nonmetals.
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Tricky. The "after" version does not quite work, since quite a few nonmetals have luster (e.g. C, black P, Se and I) and C, As, Sb are pretty good electrical and thermal conductors.
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This seems to be exhaustive with category (iv). Why the words for example? If it is because multiple classifitions exists you can start the sentence with something like: "Nonmetals
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characteristics. Pt and Au present some sort of regression of metallic chemical properties. Be is chemically poor metal, but physically is really good. Situation of Al is similar.
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is late Middle English: from Latin definitio(n- ), from the verb definire ‘set bounds to’ (see define). Thus, the nonmetal definition attempts to set bounds to what is a nonmetal.
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presents the characteristics and aspects of that which is being described in sufficient detail that the audience can form a mental picture, impression, or understa≥nding of it.
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in the article of the same name, there is no current enwiki standard. Among other reasons this was done to provide more flexibility when discussing parts of the periodic table.
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It's quite heavy on tables and figures, compared to text. Are all tables necessary, or should they be in subarticles? I expect at least some prose to accompany sections like
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As promised, a few comments before the next nomination. I've got about an hour, so I'll mainly focus on the lede. I've not read the FAC2 yet, to give an independent review.
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sources as to which elements are classified as such. The decisions involved depend on which properties are regarded as most indicative of metallic or nonmetallic character.
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is focused on some specific elements, without providing the broad and general definition as in YBG's more general adaptation of the lead I proposed. I don't understand it.
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Lede is now 4 paras. Other editors seem to expect citations for everything so I’ve gone w/the flow. ‘Nonmetal’ has a fairly narrow application and meaning, unlike ‘metal’.
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Solid nonmetals are brittle to crumbly, cannot be flattened into sheets or easily drawn into wires without shattering or breaking, and have low to no structural strength.
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for community assessment, because surely the FAC people will batch you into death. I want this article to be way better than this now. And you are not alone, I also has
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I thought I had it down pat yesterday but changed my mind after reading it on my phone. I feel this current version, linked by SG, now does the job for the lay reader.
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has absolutely nothing to do with this article or its GA status. This nomination just comes across as some sort of convoluted tit for tat and is disruptive editing.
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The first sentence of the lede makes its scope clear: "In chemistry, a nonmetal is a type of chemical element..." My feeling is that the most popular use of the term
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Simply cutting it would make the paragraph stronger. The brief discussion that precedes it makes very clear the overwhelming importance of the four named nonmetals.
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First thing I wondered about, if the large majority of elements in the periodic table are metals, how come they are so prevalent on Earth and in (Earth-based) life?
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nomination is more likely to be archived. It would be a shame if this article doesn't reach it FA potential because of friction with reviewers and over-enthusiasm.
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If its subject is definable, then the first sentence should give a concise definition: where possible, one that puts the article in context for the nonspecialist.
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I’ve abandoned the idea of defying nonmetals in terms of what they are. Picking up on Double sharp’s suggestion, and SG’s comment, the lede paragraph now reads:
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This is an impractical basis for an element categorisation scheme since it would give us a total of 14 colour categories, including metals, and the metalloids.
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I was looking at this again today, mostly to restore the previous order of listing elements - sorted first by group, then by period. As I did so, I was again
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Graphite is a bit metalloid, perhaps. All these things are shades of grey. It doesn't really matter! They're just useful terms and concepts, not rigid laws.--
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The article on metals makes a distinction between the physics and chemistry. Should something similar be done here. Or is the term nonmetal purely chemistry?
4306:"A nonmetal is a relatively light chemical element that is mechanically weak, and that forms an acid or an oxide if it reacts with nitric acid." (26 words) 4767:
I intend to shortly post some thoughts on the background to the evolution of the lede. For now, please note that I’ve further refined the lede paragraph.
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I agree that the current led sentence is problematic for all the reasons you have mentioned. Exacerbating this is the presence of the word "typically".
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Virtually all elements, to varying degrees, have a mixture of metallic and nonmetallic properties. Only a few have such a mixture to a marked extent.
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The rest of the nonmetals are nearly all gases at room temperature (the only liquid nonmetal, bromine, is usually topped by a layer of its own fumes).
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The sentence seems to mix up themes. Hard/crumply is main characteristics, no structural uses is application, which would fit in the last paragraph
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within this framework, the updated article makes better sense of the variety and subtlety of the non-metallic elements (Zuckerman and Nachod 1977,
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that on the peer review page. Sorry to be working so piecemeal, but that is the luxury that peer review affords, over FAC, and is a good thing.
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I suggest we change the half life value on this page to 1 day after reading that. I'm not an expert on this so Ill wait for someones judgement.
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The “negative” reference to "not being hammered into sheets or easily drawn into wires" is not plain English, but this is probably unavoidable.
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The 7 unclassified metals are H, C, N, O, P, S and Se. Six are moderately nonmetallic; O is more strongly nonmetallic. Hence ‘on a net basis’.
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I'm not sure if "mechanically" is quite the right term since the intending meaning is that nonmetals (normally) have no structural strength.
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Thanks YBG. I appreciate your interest and taking the time to post your concerns. I note you concur that a positive definition is preferred.
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metals discovered from then until 1809 had relatively high densities; their heaviness was regarded as a singularly distinguishing criterion.
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Nonmetal atoms are moderately to highly electronegative; they tend to attract electrons in chemical reactions and to form acidic compounds.
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I've replaced "light" with low density, and further generalized and streamlined the definition. I hope the updated version works for you.
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categorising the nonmetals as either reactive nonmetals or noble gases is more faithful to literature-based conceptions of nonmetals; and
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metallicity ratio; band gap; conductivity; and cationic chemistry, S is ahead of I on 9 properties, with one (cationic chemistry?) a tie.
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I looked through it. I tried. I really tried. But I really don't see any terms there that aren't already linked elsewhere (well, except
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The distinction between metals and nonmetals arose, in a convoluted manner, from a crude recognition of natural kinds of matter. Thus:
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Other characteristic properties such as bonding types, oxidation numbers, and cation/ion formation are included later in the article.
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The nub of these meanings is to define what a thing is, according to its features, properties and limits, rather than what it is not.
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While I am happy to learn (the language) from your edits, I want to note that other longer term issues regarding this article are of
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I'll be happy to keep an eye out for factual accuracy in the background, but I can't promise a solid time commitment at the moment. /
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If you'd like to propose a revised division of the nonmetals, here are the criteria (they are known as the 'YBG criteria', after the
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This is an accurate statement of the situation, largely written in plain English, for the lay reader, in accordance with WP policy.
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In 'Abundance and extraction', several elements are mentioned which are not previously mentioned, and should therefore be linked.
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I want to mention accessibility and layout problems as well, but that's for another time. There's a ton of work to do already :)
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Yes it is necessary. While most elements are relatively easy to characterise the difficulty is with the elements that are not so.
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John noted that his copyediting needs to remain true to the sources. My proposed incidental edit is designed to facilitate this.
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I think a hatnote would address this: "Physical properties apply to elements in their most stable forms in ambient conditions."
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Ratio values: Edwards PP & Sienko MJ 1983, "On the occurrence of metallic character in the periodic table of the elements",
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This has always left the question of how to categorise what Steudel (1977, p. 269) referred to as the "rest of the non-metals."
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which of these borderline cases are counted as nonmetals can vary depending on the classification criteria used by each author.
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Near-universal uses for nonmetals are in household accoutrements; lasers and lighting; and medicine and pharmaceuticals. -: -->
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Thank you. Yes, I am getting a feeling for that as I start to trim at it. Is there anything particular that you have in mind?
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Double sharp: I’ll later look closer, if I may, at your mention of elements close to the border between metals and nonmetals.
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I feel it's relevant to note that ca. 80% of nonmetals have a density < 5 gm/cm and ca. 80% of metals have a density : -->
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should be mentioned in a sentence. Perhaps after the sentence describing the tendency for polyatomic nonmetals to catenate?
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Given the idea of a definition expressed in terms what a nonmetal is, the next task is to write it as plainly as possible.
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The ratio for black P is therefore (density black P/density white P) × ratio for white P = (2.6/1.8232) × 0.57 = ca. 0.84
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The categorisation of the nonmetals has been a recurring topic of discussion within WikiProject Elements over many years.
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I remain convinced that a negative definition is vastly superior to a description that contains nested ANDs & ORs.
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carbon's exceptional behavior shouldn't take away from beginning the article with the main idea for a general audience.
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I am seeking comments on a proposal to change the name and composition of two of the colour categories appearing on our
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I posted an explanation here as a matter of courtesy since the definition has been subject to some to’ing and fro’ing.
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has begun. If suggestions are not helpful at this time because they disrupt that process, then please ignore for now. –
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That’s beaut! I’ll remove mention of the fumes and see if this can be better placed in the nonmetal halogens section.
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Is it possible to jam a layperson-understandable explanation of Fermi gases and metallic bonds into a footnote? Think
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Now that Sandbh has added this, I will pass the article. Great work and well done to everyone involved; keep it up!
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The latter part, which I wrote with the general reader in mind, is derived from later in the article where it says:
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Re Double sharp's proposed text at 07:58, which I generally like (pending resolution of color), but some comments:
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A nonmetal is a relatively light chemical element that is brittle or crumbly if solid or frozen, and that forms an
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The nature of compounds formed by F, Cl, Br, I with metals varies, with the degree of ionic character being F : -->
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I don't like "Rounding out the field"; are nonmetals a field? It sounds odd. And aren't solids, liquids and gases
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form at very high pressure, which can also be a superconductor. Even at lower pressure than more metallic carbon!
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Near-universal uses for nonmetals are in medicine and pharmaceuticals; lasers and lighting; and household items.
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There is no universal agreement on which elements are nonmetals as some are harder to definitively characterize.
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As the lede (including 1st sentence) is based upon/derived from the article body, the bodytext as discussed in
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out that compounds and molecular materials are simply not covered, and then begin a hunt for another article.
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doesn't say remove them, for noncontroversial articles it does seem to lean towards recommending no citations.
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YBG, on what fundamental basis are you saying there is a difference between "definition" and "description"?
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The first sentence should tell the nonspecialist reader what or who the subject is, and often when or where.
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If so, are you saying that the liquids and gases have no application in construction? That would be obvious.
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I will review this article over the next few days. I have gone over the images; all are free and used well.
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it is adding nothing but confusion to my layreader knowledge, and could be re-written in plainer language.
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In plain English, it's preferable to define things in terms of what they are rather than what they aren't.
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The density of graphene is therefore its weight divided by its volume = 0.77 mg/1.421 x 10 cm = 5.419 g cm
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boiling points, as it takes more energy to overcome their stronger covalent bonds, so they are all solids.
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which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —
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Hydrogen is not a typical nonmetal. You'll need to come up with a better name than 'typical' nonmetals.
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metal/nonmetal property (not in the body, so not in a source then). They are not listed in any of the
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I would like to see a mention of organic chemistry, as it is fundamental to the chemistry of carbon.
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bout half of nonmetallic elements are colored or colorless gases; most of the rest are shiny solids.
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But as long as we're looking at the lead, can this (as a sample of lacking prose clarity) be sorted:
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it is a nonmetal – "relative" definitions can be fleshed out and clarified elsewhere in the article.
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is instructive. It gives the generic class and then says which things in that class do not qualify.
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semimetalloids, half-metalloids (intermediates between nonmetals and metalloids) (such as C and Se),
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Suggest this ce be reverted since the before version is accurate whereas the after version is not.
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There is no commonly accepted definition of nonmetal. But everyone agrees that they are not metals.
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Simplicity itself. But because of the ambiguity with metallois I would prefer something like this:
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In the allotropes section of this page, Ozones half life is claimed to be 30 minutes. On the Ozone
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The current division of the nonmetals into polyatomic, diatomic and monatomic meets these criteria.
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sentence (different defintions of nonmetal) is more important, right? Put that reason up front.
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I'll be tidying up the article. Among other things, I'll discuss the following four "clusters":
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I suspect this proposal may go a long way to resolving your concerns. How does it look to you?
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As a first-time reader, the lede is clear and well-crafted, but the following things jump out:
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What do you mean? Graphite conducts electricity but it's not generally considered "metallic". —
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that it is usually topped by a layer of its fumes; sulfur is the only colored solid nonmetal.
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that it is usually topped by a layer of its fumes; sulfur is the only colored solid nonmetal.
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Colour is, indeed, irrelevant. Cu, Cs, and Au are clearly metals and equally clearly coloured.
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In a similar descriptive manner, here's the IUPAC recommended definition of a hydrogen bond:
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works only if the name of the article becomes "Nonmetal (chemical element)". I included the
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Oh! You thanked me :) before I’d gotten round to saying I’d fixed this. Nicely spotted BTW.
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Better now. I'm also guessing that "where applicable" implies the exception of noble gases?
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Ok, whatever. If you guys don't like it, then there's no reason for me to continue further.
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I feel this a question of style preference. That expression is no longer there in any event.
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Excellently referenced, with a large number of sources. Inline citations where appropriate.
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Chemistry of the non-metals: With an introduction to atomic structure and chemical bonding,
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There are some fantastic images here, and there are used and captioned well. All are free.
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covers all metallic materials, elemental or not, and the change in scope between that and
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Weight of graphene: "Class for Physics of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences" 2010, "
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A nonmetal is a chemical element which does not have the properties common to metals.
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The overview part of the "Categories" section could do with some more liberal linking
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Unambiguous. It should be (relatively) obvious which category each element fits into
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I have been doing some minor copyediting; feel free to undo any and all of my edits.
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is a statement of the meaning of a term (a word, phrase, or other set of symbols).
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Otherwise, this is an excellent article. I will place the review on hold for now.
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About half of nonmetallic elements are gases; most of the rest are shiny solids.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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silicon, largely make up the Earth's crust, atmosphere, oceans and biosphere.
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against the backdrop of a left to right progression in non-metallic character.
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The accompanying image shows the variety in form and colour of the nonmetals.
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Could you please consider my response and reconsider your request. Thank you
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A planet is a large astronomical body that is not a star or stellar remnant.
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pure substances eventually could be distinguished as compounds and elements;
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Is there a different word for honing? I'm only half familiar with the word.
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The unclassified nonmetals are moderately nonmetallic, on a net basis -: -->
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No it is not correct to specify THz. The reference cited even states TPa.
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that the lede is (still) problematic in this, is an issue for the current
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in this instance…Have a nice edit, DePiep (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2021 (UTC)"
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A metallic allotrope of carbon has been hypothesized to occur at 1.1 THz.
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A shrewd and fundamental (to life as we know it) observation. Will do.
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knowing that more qualified eyes would clean up if it wasn't correct.
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but I'm also a non-chemist with just a casual interest in the topic.
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Suggest this ce be reverted given the reference to S being colored.
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A nonmetal is a chemical element that is not a metal or a metalloid.
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It means that iodine has to be named as more metallic than sulfur.
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article, which notes that variable treatment of the metalloid set.
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3. The typical nonmetals comprise a gas, a solid and a liquid.
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And Au, Pt and (most probably) Cn are also really poor metals.
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qualifier to indicate that this was a qualitative judgement.
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Clear. The criterion for division should be easily explained
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being culled for review even after so many months of work.
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matter could be divided into pure substances and mixtures;
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results when previewing my responses via iPad. Keep safe.
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and, where relevant, changes made to the nonmetal article.
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C—C bond length in graphene: Hill G & Holman J 2000,
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Consider moving the majority of notes into subarticles.
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Why is carbon a non-metal if it has metallic allotropes?
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for your offer to maintain a watch on factual accuracy.
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work, and if not, could you suggest improvements to it?
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most typical nonmetals (such as O, F, Cl, Ne, Ar, Kr).
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You use c. and ca. to abbreviate circa. Be consistent
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A. Prose quality, no copyvios, spelling and grammar:
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Periodic table extract showing nonmetallic elements.
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Please restore plain English to the first sentence.
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See 4957:and what we currently have: 4434:07:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC) 4417:08:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC) 4396:23:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC) 4333:01:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC) 4203:16:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC) 4169:09:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC) 4156:09:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC) 4113:22:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC) 4092:15:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC) 4078:23:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC) 4053:01:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC) 4031:22:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC) 4007:15:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC) 3989:I strongly suggest removing 3923:06:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC) 3858:00:12, 30 January 2022 (UTC) 3541:23:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC) 3503:18:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC) 3475:16:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC) 3363:10:48, 4 February 2022 (UTC) 3249:05:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC) 3227:08:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC) 3208:08:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC) 3167:08:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC) 3141:08:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC) 2964:08:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC) 2929:07:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC) 2609:22:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC) 2297:(1) it is named "nonmetals". 2122:18:48, 31 January 2020 (UTC) 2079:18:40, 31 January 2020 (UTC) 2018:14:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC) 1733:Categorisation scheme update 1376:14:34, 8 November 2013 (UTC) 1318:16:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC) 1286:03:38, 9 November 2013 (UTC) 1217:13:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC) 1203:12:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC) 738: 717: 697: 657: 632: 609: 593: 568: 552: 536: 505: 469: 343:23:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC) 273:22:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC) 253:22:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC) 207:22:37, 11 October 2013 (UTC) 179:05:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC) 112:16:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC) 6376:§ Color and state of matter 6305:02:50, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 6271:22:37, 9 October 2022 (UTC) 6257:02:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 6206:02:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 6167:02:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 6153:(see e.g. Larrañaga et al) 6013:02:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 5922:01:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 5891:01:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 5844:01:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 5763:00:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 5749:00:41, 3 October 2022 (UTC) 5725:Nonmetal (chemical element) 5709:16:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC) 4386:I hope that works for you. 3524:Speedy keep and close this 2644:List of nonmetal monographs 2023:Move discussion in progress 1981:03:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC) 1963:03:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC) 1940:03:07, 30 August 2018 (UTC) 1652:21:55, 20 August 2015 (UTC) 1151:01:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC) 1134:00:22, 21 August 2013 (UTC) 1119:22:30, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 1104:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 1089:00:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC) 1062:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 1041:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 1020:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 1010:No bias or POV statements. 997:00:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC) 977:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 952:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 932:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 911:00:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC) 884:21:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 867:13:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 832:13:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC) 793:08:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC) 761:06:47, 19 August 2013 (UTC) 445:06:47, 19 August 2013 (UTC) 6508: 5852:Nearly all nonmetals have 5822:I think that exclusion of 5768:Sample batch of copy edits 5690:as I remember copyediting 5517:07:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC) 5490:23:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC) 5472:00:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC) 5439:03:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 5424:15:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 5385:03:57, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 5352:23:03, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 5338:14:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 5314:05:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 5276:03:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 5259:02:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 5192:12:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 5144:15:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 5095:08:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 5077:08:41, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 5022:07:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4955:Periodic table#Metallicity 4944:11:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC) 4922:08:07, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4894:07:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4878:06:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4857:06:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4800:03:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4777:02:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4760:07:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4745:03:12, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4710:04:41, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4691:04:38, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4670:02:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4597:01:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4563:01:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 4549:18:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC) 4526:18:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC) 4500:16:23, 19 March 2022 (UTC) 4473:16:13, 19 March 2022 (UTC) 3620:That for gray Se is 4.802 3368:Withdrawn by the nominator 2646:, and added a link in the 2084:"The Nonmetels" listed at 1839:11:16, 25 April 2018 (UTC) 1605:16:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC) 6239:, the only liquid, is so 6226:, the only liquid, is so 5507:since 22 February 2022. - 4808:Initial (quick) thoughts: 4289:Curiously, the origin of 3595:That for black P is 2.69 3156:Honing the concept -: --> 2356:As at November 2nd, 2021 2347:07:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC) 2313:04:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC) 2291:04:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC) 2227:12:02, 15 July 2021 (UTC) 1915:03:59, 15 July 2018 (UTC) 1855:Walter de Gruyter, Berlin 1476: 1467: 1465: 1449: 1433: 1417: 1413: 1404: 1402: 689:valid fair use rationales 676:to illustrate the topic? 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