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were indicated.In the “habitat” section, there seems to be some sources indicated in parentheses , but were not linked. I made some extra changes like moving reproduction-related sections under the reproduction heading. I also reworded the "Interactions with Humans" section to make the writing less subjectie.
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The last half of that is quite confusing as to which species are present where. Sadly, the skink doesn't get nearly as much detail in the formal description of the reptile fauna that Ridley got G A Boulenger to write as do most of the other species Ridley brought back (probably because it had already
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I'm sorry that my comments were not of much utility and that one of them appeared rude. I had not looked your at user page or contribs while perusing this article for improvements. Its now obvious to me that you have a lot more experience than me in developing articles towards FA/GA. All the best for
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IMHO there are far too many red links. These should be reduced by making stubs or redirects. The stubs too should not be trivial but contain at least one ref, preferably an image and at least one paragraph of text with three four sentances explaining what that stub title is about. While the FA rules
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No one really talks about the other islands. Most studies were explicitly conducted on the main island. The only exception I think is
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Chanticleer probably collected its skink specimen in the summer of 1830, about a year and a half before Charles Darwin visited Fernando de Noronha (20 February 1832). This 1832 visit was by the HMS Beagle because the HMS Chanticleer wasn't in seaworthy condition following
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I really enjoyed reading this wikipedia page, I thought the writing was very engaging. However, I would suggest looking over at the citations in conservation, habitat and reproduction. Information included on
Knowledge pages should generally be sourced. In reproduction and conversation, no sources
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The article is plentiful with images, which is great! I rewrote some lines within "Reproduction" to enhance clarity. I also modified a few sentences within "Relationships with other species." I renamed "Interaction between lizards" to "Intraspecific
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All I have about this is
Schmidt 1945: "In addition to the type specimens collected by H.M.S. Chanticleer sometime previous to 1838, the specimens on record include only ..." and Mausfeld and Vrcibradic 2002, who tell us that the types are BMNH 1946.8.27.47 and 1946.8.27.48. Gray himself is silent
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I can't see that paper now (Google Books only shows a snippet). According to
Branner (1888), "Ilha Rata" is actually "Ilha Rapta" and means "Stolen Island", not "Rat Island". There is an incredible number of mice there, but no rats. He doesn't mention the skink on any but the main island.
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I tried to access this on my mobile, from which I can usually read the first paragraph. I learned nothing. It would be nice, especially with featured articles, to have a lead paragraph that gives stubstantive information rather than speculates and follows up with nothing.
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Thanks. Yes, whether one sees a full view in Google Books depends on location; it's related to differences in copyright law. It's a pity the text of your first quote is mangled; I think I'll just add that it also occurs on the smaller islands of the archipelago.
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Noronha islands? The lead says endemic to an island, and no further mention is made in the text of distribution, but the distribution map caption mentions the archipelago.
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HMS Chanticleer is a ship. :) I linked it, and also
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I am bringing the article to FAC now; most of your comments appear to have been resolved, and aided greatly in improving the article. I'm sure we'll be able to sort out the remaining points, either here or at the FAC.
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Nothing more than what is already in the article. There have been quite some articles about the
Noronha skink in recent years, but knowledge has become somewhat unbalanced, as almost no one has studied any aspect of
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As it turned out, someone had already uploaded an image of the flowers to Commons. The picture is in Brisbane, but the tree looks close to the pictures in Sazima et al. 2005, so the ID is probably correct.
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Don't bother. Done. Converted the Indeterminate green links in Checklinks as they are most likely to deteriorate over time. All are white (good) or yellow (subscription required) links now.
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Please provide an external links where the entry on Noronha Skink in ITIS, GBIF and other online global species indices. Oh, dont forget the Wikispecies entry! Make one if you need to.
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its previous survey voyage. Darwin spent a few hours on Fernando de Noronha, remarked on the geology and collected botanical specimens, but he doesn't seem to have noticed the skinks!
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