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successes and failures, and anything else. I think the article is certainly notable enough to warrant its existence: there are plenty of books on New Labour itself, and many more books on the Labour Party which dedicate significant attention to it. While I agree that New Labour was a branding of the party, it also marked a significant change in British politics, giving success to the Labour party and drastically changing its whole political philosophy. New Labour is discussed elsewhere (
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Whether it's correct to say "New Labour" or "New Labour Era" is something I'm not sure about. There were certainly plenty of column inches written on the issue, particularly around the time of the 2010 general election arguing that it spelled the death of New Labour, so perhaps it is correct to say it was an era.
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You raise an interesting point. New Labour as an ideology still exists, although those who now lead the party have dropped it as their political ethos. Ed Miliband now talks about "One Nation Labour", but there are still many on the right of the party who regard themselves as advocates of New Labour.
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Thanks for that review, I appreciate it. I've made all the changes that you've suggested (except for the Gordon Brown one, because he was not just important because of his contribution to the Third Way, and using 'because' would suggest that he was. I've been meaning to write a reception section for
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Interesting topic for an article, looks like it is in decent shape thus far. I've made some copyedits and I'll leave some more suggestions here for now. The article looks good, the one thing that really seems to be missing is descriptions of how academics and commentators have described New Labour.
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article. I think if this article is to exist it needs to focus on the branding more than policies and history. This means it's going to remain a stub. I expect other users will question whether this article needs to exist at all, given that this information could possibly be incorporated fully into
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In each of these, you present a fact, reference it, and then provide some sort of evaluative comment. Do these comments come from the references, or are they your own opinions? If the former, then the reference should be moved to the end of the sentence. If the latter, then the comments need to be
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Another concern I had was the editor who added the paragraph has a bit of a history of dubious sourcing. That sort of thing can present problems if it goes unchecked. I guess there should be plenty of refs about discussing Kinnock's attempts to rebrand the party, so adding something should be easy
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I support what you've done there. The electoral support section is about how New Labour attempted to widen its electoral support. The fact that this was influenced by Kinnock is relevant; the successes/failures of Kinnock is not. I'm happy with mentioning that Kinnock had tried it before (we might
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Hi Peter, thanks for your comments and improvements. I agree that there is much more that needs to be added to this article - I started with the history simply because I personally find it the easiest place to start from. I intend to add sections on their political philosophy, critics, electoral
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category. Generally sources should discuss the main topic, and anything relating to it should be discussed in that context. While the sources provide some background to the pre-New Labour era they don't actually do so with reference to that subject. I can't help thinking this paragraph would be
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I can see however that when the article with this name was previously redirected "New Labour" was a current branding and the party was in power. Now that the New Labour branding has been dropped this article may have some purpose. But I wanted to raise this issue to the main editor(s) of this
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The placement in the article is a little awkward too, since we have the Blair image near the top and the Brown image near the bottom and that gives the impression of an organised article. I think it would be better to have both images grouped together, but then crowding would be an issue.
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History section: "During the period from 1994 to 1997, after Blair's election as party leader, Labour managed to reverse decades of decline in party membership by increasing the number by around 40%, increasing its capacity to compete for office, whilst also legitimising the leadership of
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ideology. While One Nation Labour should be mentioned in the context of New Labour's successor, I have concerns about the neutrality of the edits I've reverted, and we should do our best to keep this article balanced, and maintain the GA quality. Any thoughts?
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article, where there would be no problem. As this has been assessed as a good article we need to keep it in shape. If we can find a better source that discusses all of the above then the information can be included, but I'll take it out for now.
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An IP user has been attempting to add a table of what looks like all the ministers of Labour at a certain unspecified point in time. I have removed this - it is much better covered where it currently is in the articles
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This article seems to confuse the "New Labour Era" with "New Labour". The era of New Labour Government may have ended but people are still refered to as having a New Labour allegiance and New Labour is not the era.
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I question whether there needs to be an image of Brown on this page. If we have one image of Brown then that opens the floodgates for images of every other person listed. While Blair is undeniably
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Era or Error? For might not the article reflect the view of many true Labour supporters that the Tory-lite ideas of New Labour should have been consigned to the Dustbin of History?
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I don't mind either way. It might be useful to have an image of Brown, so that we have a picture of New Labour's two leaders. Still, if you want to remove it, I won't complain.
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oversaw at the previous two elections. Kinnock then resigned as leader to be succeeded by John Smith,who died in May 1994 and was succeeded by Tony Blair two months later.
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philosophy." Is he important because he played a key role in the third way philosophy? The use of "and" leaves open the possibility that these aren't cause and effect.
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I think in this case simple is better. I'm not going to argue strongly for the removal of the Brown image, but I do feel the article would be better without it. --
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indicating that the electorate viewed Labour as more moderate and electable in 1992 than in 1987, arguably legitimising the arguments for increased modernisation."
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respect did New Labour give lasting "success to the Labour party"? And, given how New Labour lacks any history, real ideas or grounding in political philosophy -
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In the third paragraph of "History" you use "protest" "prompted" and "demonstrate" quite a bit, see if there's a good way to cut down on the use of these words.
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key figure of "New Labour", Brown less so. We have Blair saying that New Labour stopped as when he left, and many see Brown as a lurch backwards.
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Hi, the intro just seems to make the article a bit "top-heavy" IMO. The paragraphs are quite long and not very easily readable.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20150221003420/http://clients.squareeye.net/uploads/compass/documents/New%20Politics.pdf
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Just need to check the following paragraph for accuracy, so am posting it here for easier access to sources, etc.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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up to FA once you need a peer review or advice on the article, that article has a bit about New Labour in it.
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redirect to Ed Miliband, but there seems plenty of stuff around that we could use for a stand alone article.
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There are some long sentences in the lead, you should probably try to break them up or trim them down.
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i.e. "Christopher Hitchens said that New Labour was the best thing since sliced bread" or something.
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recommends no more than four. Are there any specific parts which you think could be more concise?
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was now left with a 21-seat majority compared to the triple-digit landslides that his predecessor
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briefly mention to what extent he was successful); we don't need a great deal of detail on it.
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Political branding section: "Kinnock undertook the first wave of modernisation between the
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significant changes to this article by an anonymous editor who appears to want to push the
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There are a few times that you could probably just put "Blair" instead of "Tony Blair".
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You're welcome, this was a fun article to read. BTW, you should ping whomever brought
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How about one of those little quote boxes? It need only say something like "
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Biography of Kinnock crediting him as having sown the seeds for New Labour
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He had taken over as party leader in October 1983, just after the party's
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Anyone want to start an article about One Nation Labour? I've created a
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Article discusses some of the changes Kinnock made to the Labour Party
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and two years after the right wing of the party had split to form the
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I don't know where best to add it, but we should definitely link to "
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I've added a little information to the lead, mostly taken from the
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Well, hopefully this article can be expanded a little further! --
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The word "Need" is used a lot in the "Social Justice" section.
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