118:. An interesting discussion, and the supporters have a more than reasonable argument, but WP:UCN is not the be-all and end-all and in this case the consensus is that consistency, one of out naming criterion, is of more importance. Whether the proposed title meets several of the other criteria has been debated, but I don't see that either 'side' has a more correct interpretation, merely subjective opinions. In cases where both interpretations of policy can arguably be called correct, the numbers on each side of the argument carries a lot more weight than usual and the opposers have a clear numerical majority.
607:- Only if its called "The All Blacks" as this is a wiki, not a rugby database so the term "All Blacks" can mean many things..we could give other teams their proper names in the future too but the 3 other common names, the wallabies, pumas and the Springboks, they share with animals and thy should get first 'dibs' on the name...the brave blossoms (prev: cherry blossoms) is more of a recent name, so not quite 'common', this also includes the Welsh Dragons and The Ikale Tahi... "Manu Samoa" is the common name for the Samoa team and "The Flying Fijians" is the common name for the fiji team....--
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Zealand team, but there is a wikilink there, so it may not be required in all contexts. But keeping the current name does not actually make a huge difference here, as many editors and people are just linking to
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both in this sport and others, other criteria appear to me to be on a par. I still don't see why the inconsistent name should be used - a redirect exists for those that have heard of "All Blacks" so there is no difficulty introduced in finding the article and the redirect makes it plain who the team represent.
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Tricky one. Yes, the team/country is now called
Zimbabwe, but if NZ have only ever played the team under their old name Rhodesia, then that's the name that should be in the table. If NZ had also played Zimbabwe, I'd have suggested putting "Rhodesia/Zimbabwe" in the table to cover both, but if NZ have
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I choose the New York Times because I was curious to see what the major usage was in a reliable source not strongly associated with rugby. I was actually slightly surprised that "All Blacks" was used that much by the NYT and if anything would say this provides as much evidence for it being the common
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automatically redirects here for anyone searching using that term and they are unlikely to be confused when "New
Zealand national rugby union team" pops up instead. It keeps it consistent with other national teams, which isn't a bad thing. Also I don't think we should automatically assume everyone is
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but I think that is a misuse of that guideline as All Blacks is not a technical name for a technical subject (if anything "New
Zealand national rugby union team" is a technical description) and besides JARGON is part of the MOS (content) and not part of the AT Policy (naming) -- if your argument held
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I have presented evidence above from the NZRU website that "All Blacks" is the name of the team. The name of the national union is the New
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with that name – when that happened no one jumped to ask why it was called such, nor was there an avalanche of questions regarding consistency in national sports team's names. I'm not sure whether many other national teams have a "nickname" (for want of a better term) as the article name, but I don't
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Springboks, Wallabies, Proteas, Kiwis, Kangaroos, Waratahs – these are all named after animals or flowers
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Zealand results against Rhodesia. While I don't doubt the matches took place, I'd say NZ did not accord the games Test Match status. So, there may be a case for removing Rhodesia from the table altogether - but, if consensus deems these 2nd XV games be included, then I'd support the
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But no one has yet proved that "All Blacks" is the overriding common name for the team. At the World Cup, the IRB (and associated broadcasters) list New
Zealand's matches as "New Zealand vs Fooland" (or vice-versa). The term "All Blacks" might come up in promotional material to break up the monotony
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The links you have provided are to are member unions not teams. Indeed the second link states "member unions" in the first section and then names the team All Blacks in the news section (lower down the page). Those links do not state that the official name is "New
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such as recognizability, precision and consistency are given more weight when it comes to national sporting teams. However, consensus can of course change. But I'm not sure that the talk page of one article that follows this wide-reaching convention is the place to determine that change, even though
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and this says 1457 points. Like you said it's out of date now regardless, but I think we'll just wait and see what happens once all those pages get updated. Hopefully they all agree after that! Regardless though, the addition of references always helps. Also just a heads up, signing with ~~~~ after
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Reviewing those criteria, the current name meets all but the conciseness one, the "All Blacks" name fails consistency, so is no better objectively, The current name is likely to be more recognizable to those that are not familiar with the sport due to the consistency with other representative teams
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has been changing Rhodesia in the records to Zimbabwe. My reasoning for retaining Rhodesia in there is for historical context as every time the All Blacks have played them, it has been as Rhodesia so it makes sense to use the latest iteration that they played. If zimbabwe ever play NZ, then we can
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I see what you're trying to say, but this is something that needs to be considered all the time anyway. Many people don't know what rugby union is, or where New Zealand is, but we don't need to explain what these things are every time we mention them. I think the context in which a subject is used
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Of course I used All Black as the search term so it may be slightly weighted, but anywho this is an unscientific experiment as common name has been mentioned a few times as a reason to change, but not much evidence presented (here at least, I haven't looked through the old links). I counted ten
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Two reasons: one is that the All Blacks play many more Tests per year than they used to. Another is that this is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, and so random editors are much more likely to add material on the match that happened last week than on the 1984 tour of Fiji! I agree it's a
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It's my personal opinion that the first time the New Zealand national rugby union team are mentioned in any Knowledge article, they should be identified (and, of course, wiki-linked) as such for the significant portion of readers who won't be familiar with the connotations of the nickname 'All
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Right now, it states that Dan Carter has scored 1457 points and cites the All Blacks website. However when I edited this page to make it 1455, I also got my number from the All Blacks website. For some reason, there are two different pages that list two different statistics.
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They are very clearly mostly of European ancestry, and Black is a term associated with those of African Ancestry. Take note that this group also performs the Haka, a traditionally Native New Zealander cultural aspect just another example of Cultural Appropriation.
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accorded to South Africa or in other rugby-playing nations" and that the matches they played before 1981 were referred to as 'international' but that nether side from any of those games considered or recognised the matches as
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Just to check common name I did a search in the New York Times for All Blacks and looked through the first result that came up to see how many times the team was called All Blacks and how many times it was called New
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495:WP:CRITERIA
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107:move review
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2978:Desertarun
2868:|answered=
2737:References
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1231:All Blacks
1192:All Blacks
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546:Socceroos
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519:Australia
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409:Wallabies
314:PeeJay2K3
179:July 2004
116:not moved
79:Archive 7
73:Archive 6
68:Archive 5
60:Archive 1
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2713:BDigs153
2683:BDigs153
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2639:non-Test
2521:Rhodesia
2455:Rhodesia
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2367:Cheers.—
2216:Cheers.—
2008:Cheers.—
1863:Cheers.—
1711:Cheers.—
1491:WP:TILDE
1477:WP:TRUTH
1284:Zealand.
1188:Comment:
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348:CRITERIA
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1932:my edit
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1493:). --
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880:: Per
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633:). --
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