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descriptions is wrong and has to be removed, as two descriptions for one move is redundant! One of your reliable sources is wrong. Did you not read my message? Don't be so stubborn and intent on following the rules please, because this newbie finds it extremely frustrating. Not to mention you removed my edits to Ziggler's current time inRaw which I referenced with RELIABLE sources. It is your job, as the reverter, to make sure you don't remove any good edits I made no matter if I made any bad edits. To just remove ALL of my edits without checking whether they are bad or good just because you thought one of them was bad just makes me feel that my contributions to this site are unvalued. I advise you to revise your conduct to be a little more flexible. I notice you revert a lot of other people's edits. Perhaps they were unsourced, but maybe you could put in some efforts to search for the sources yourself so that you don't waste people's time and good intentions by simply reverting edits.

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source that has ever stated these are different moves, so I don't see why editors here won't have an open dialogue and just revert edits they don't agree with. While there is no reliable source that has gone out and listed every possible description for the Zig Zag, there is no reliable citation that warrants listing all of these different moves. I think it would greatly benefit the article if editors looked at the footage and used their own reasoning. This strict refusal to use our own brains is detrimental to the article when Knowledge (XXG) acknowledges

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finisher yet, but he didn't change it. I found that reference 51 Smackdown: re-writing a good showhttp://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2009/05/16/9476311.html also describes Ziggler performing a reverse bulldog. That was in May 2009. The Wrestleview reference is in July 2009. Ziggler was not reported to change his finisher at that time. As of now, I have only video evidence that he executed the same move. I'm not sure why you can't conclude from the video evidence that what Ziggler did was exactly the same?

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using his real name, I think Ziggler stills the WP:COMMONNAME. Maybe in one year... but now, It's too soon for a move. Also, I know the story, if he changes the name or return to Ziggler, will be another request to hcange the name, saying that Nic Nemeth is not the WP:COMMONNAME because he isn't working under his real name. --

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don't feel that way. 3. You didn't see that I made (or didn't explain why you saw fit to remove) other edits to shift all mentions of Ziggler defending the IC title and losing it to the above paragraph because it was about Ziggler being the IC Champion. Those mentions should not be in the WHC section.

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As many other wrestlers, he had worked for 15 years as Dolph Ziggler. He has worked on the biggest promotion in the world, he is a two time World Champion. he has worked on TV, Films and webseries as Dolph Ziggler. Goggle has 4.200.000 results for Ziggler, just 1.490.000 for Nemeth. Just a few months

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I meant not to be patronising at all. I have no problem with you providing your reasons, rather than a simple Yes/No. Please, stop assuming that I am adopting a patronising attitude. Now, I'm not sure if my early comments I came off as patronising, but rest assured all my recent comments from posting

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Thus, due to this, I deem the Jumping Russian Legsweep, which describes the Zig-Zag, irrelevant as the Reverse Bulldog is more appropriate. I will be removing the Jumping Russian Legsweep from Ziggler's finishing moves, despite the "reliable" source. I ask that if you wish to revert my edit, that you

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1. In my opinion, any Wrestlemania appearance deserves mention, purely because said wrestler is making an appearance on the Biggest Stage of Them All, it is an landmark achievement to be wrestling on Wrestlemania. 2. I have no idea what you are saying about every paragraph needing a new subsection. I

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Yes, I removed info from a reliable source. But clearly, one of the reliable sources is WRONG. I watched the videos, the Reverse Bulldog and the Jumping Russian Legsweep both refer to the Zig-Zag, do you understand what I am saying to you right now? They refer to the same move so clearly, one of the

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I created a new section "Move to Raw" for Ziggler because Ziggler's move to Raw has ended his storyline feud with Edge over the World Heavyweight Championship. The previous section was "World Heavyweight Champion" and thus was inappropriate for his current stint on Raw. Ziggler has also had new feuds

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Well, sure, I'll play along. I've done you one better than your "simple Yes/No questions" (again, and like your comments on my talk page, very patronising, not to mention stifling discussion by insisting I respond to four questions in a total of four words), and provided reasons why I gave a "simple

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Previously Ziggler had both the Jumping Russian Legsweep and the Zig Zag (Reverse bulldog) listed as two of his finishers. Upon watching the video for the match where Ziggler supposedly used the Jumping Russian Legsweep, I realised that it was really a Zig Zag, the two descriptions were of the exact

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You sound just like my friends at school and my teachers. If you read my user page, I have a user box reading I believe Knowledge (XXG) is a reliable site. Underneath the actual website, it's basically a bureaucracy. Because every edit is monitored by Millions of Admins, Reviewers (Which I Am), Auto

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Ziggler's been playing with the move name for awhile on Twitter and it looks like they've decided (via Scott Stanford on last week's Superstars) to start calling his Rocker Dropper (leg drop bulldog) the "Name Dropper." I haven't edited in a long long time, but I provided a reliable source since I

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I've been trying to get this change established for a long time now. There has never been a single source that contradicts these claims and states these are different moves, while footage of the matches and unestablished sources clearly suggest they're the same move. Because there is no reliable

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Now, all your answers are No, whereas all my answers are Yes. So the key difference between us, is that you do not think that the Jumping Russian Legsweep is a Zig-Zag. As I said, if you watch the videos, Ziggler did the exact same move both times. I believe at that time, Ziggler hadn't named his

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My edit concerning his entrance theme section was reverted because it lacked sources. This would have been fine except any source I could have found would have been youtube videos of the dates in question, videos that would have been against the rules to use as sources since they were copyright

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were on his high school wrestling team and that they were all part of the same graduating class? It is impressive that Nemeth holds a school record for most pins when he was teammates with Maynard, who would become very successful in the UFC, and with Hrovat who competed in the Olympics.

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Ziggler dating Amy is far more relevant to "personal life" than what his brothers did in their life which has nothing to do with Ziggler just because they are blood relatives. Also the Ziggler-Amy relation is valid, confirmed and well publicized. So I "re-added" it back.

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violations. On top of that, the sources for the themes deemed acceptable are simply links to where you can buy them online. So is this information that is just not allowed to exist on the page because the sources wouldn't be allowed, regardless of how accurate they were?

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quote: "Ziggler then nailed his Zig-Zag reverse bulldog". So the Zig-Zag is a reverse bulldog. Hey – that's what the article says now, and what it said before you started this section. Ergo based on the sources, and try to follow here, the Jumping Russian Legsweep is a

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Perhaps we shouldn't list Ziggler as Intercontinental Champion until the episode he is supposedly booked to win happens? Plus we don't know if he's meant to win or not. I'd suggest removing information about his supposed IC title reign unless it actually occurs.

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I checked all of your edits. Then I reverted. Just because you source something doesn't mean it's notable enough to be included. What exactly did WM add to his overall career? And why do you feel that every new paragraph needs a new subsection – because,

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Per: "In determining what this name is, we follow the usage of reliable sources, such as those used as references for the article." Show that the independant third party sources overwhelmingly use your preferred stage name and not the birth name.

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Comment if Stu Bennett is moved could someone please place a hat link to the Soccer Player named Wade Barret. There is not one currently since Wade Barret is currently a dab page and no one typing Stu Bennett would be looking for the soccer

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General rule of thumb: every image on the internet is copyrighted, unless it explicitly says otherwise. In order to upload a random file from the internet to wikipedia, you will need to provide a link proving that it is not copyrighted.

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The portion about his amateur career is a bit incorrect. Kent State has never won a Division I national wrestling championship. While Nemeth was at St. Edwards, the high school team won two national championships, but not Kent State.

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Knowledge (XXG) articles aren't independent, third party sources either. And of course, he's listed as "Dolph Ziggler" in the WWE employees list – it's his current ring name. That doesn't help prove it's his most common name.

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as all of these men have had prominence and exposure with their ringnames while neither of these men are hardly recognizable by their real names. All the target pages redirect to them so it will be a fairly easy move.

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I am okay with this mention. Something along the lines of "Nemeth was teammates with GM and AH, who would go on to compete in the UFC and at the Olympics respectively". I suppose do you have a source to back you up?

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You provided 3 refs, out of the 77 in the article. Not a very good indication that reliable sources generally use the name you suggest. And 2 of your "sources" are wikipedia articles which are NOT reliable sources.

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Although he worked 15 years as Dolph Ziggler, he's lived 43 as Nicholas Nemeth. I wasn't even able to find Goggle, let alone 4.200.000 results for Ziggler. How does this not use the same logic as Sasha Banks -:

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Hello, Actually Dolph Ziggler was ranked 6th in 2011 and not 2012 from what i saw on the Pro Wrestling Illustrated Knowledge (XXG) page, Can it be verified and corrected ? And for the name

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Jim Ross always mention what position the wrestlers were after they won their secondtier championship like Shelton was the 23rd to win both championships so what is Dolph's position?

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All the bolding and ALLCAPS above does not detract from the point that this is based on your own opinion. The reliable sources state different – we use the sources, not your opinons.

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is false, He was never ever called by that name or used it during his whole career, Internet Wrestling Database and the WWE Profile itself is proof by itself that the name

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2. Do you agree that both the Jumping Russian Legsweep and Reverse Bulldog are the technical descriptions of the move Zig-Zag? (you'll need to consult video evidence)

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3. Doesn't the existence of two technical descriptions for a single move contradict each other, despite both technical descriptions coming from "reliable" sources?

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So you removed information that was referenced to a reliable source, based on your own opinion? No, not happening. I've restored it. Please don't do that again.

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Standing next to an opponent, the attacking wrestler grabs the side of the opponent's head and leaps backwards, resulting in both individuals landing supine

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Removal of Jumping Russian Legsweep from Ziggler's Finishing Moves, as it is the same move as the Zig Zag (Reverse Bulldog), but JRL is a worse description

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So, one of these reliable sources is wrong, as the Zig Zag cannot be both a jumping russian legsweep and a reverse bulldog. One move should not have

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Because he has always used the name since coming back to the WWE in 2009. We all know him as Dolph Ziggler. Let me ask you, do you think people know

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It is missing the Spirit Squad theme song, which he used as “Nicky”, as well as his first theme as Dolph Ziggler, called “Time To Shout”. Fix this.

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With the massive number of popups that arise when I click that link (I don't recommend anyone follow it), I'd have trouble considering it to be a

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Sure, Nick Nemeth has been World, IC and Tag Champion, but WWE does not recognize Dolph Ziggler and Nicky Spirit Squad as the same wrestler

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occurred. The episode in question has been taped, it just hasn't aired. Not having aired is not the same thing as not having happened. ♥

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I want to make this very clear to you. Please read carefully. I want you to answer all my questions. They are simple Yes/No questions.

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1. Should a single move (Zig-Zag) should have two technical descriptions, such as a) Jumping Russian Legsweep and b) Reverse Bulldog?

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read through this post again and watch the videos to convince yourself, because ONE of the RELIABLE sources is clearly wrong.

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can someone get an updated photo of nick and if i can i will try to get a photo of him when smackdown comes to australia.

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This gets no from me he's only been Dolph for little over an year it would be a different story if it was ten year's.--

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Although given the industry he works in, it will probably be three or four different names between now and then!

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then while hooking the opponent's leg the wrestler falls backward, pulling the opponent to the mat back-first

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I heard Nemeth and WWE Diva Nikki Bella are going out and does anyone think we should add it to the page???

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I don't think that's important enough to be included, actually. Does it matter whether he's 22nd or 25th?

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On the March 7 edition of Raw, Dolph Ziggler was rehired and signed to Raw. And defeated John Morrison.

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Look at Ziggler's finishing moves. It lists: 1. Jumping Russian Legsweep 2. Zig Zag (Reverse Bulldog)

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As i said before, He was ranked 16th and not 6th in the PWI 500 2012, And here's the PWI 500 for 2012

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Amy Schumer went on the Howard Stern show and talked a lot about her relationship with Dolph Ziggler.

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And the PWI 500 mistake is still the same with no one correcting it, Really pathetic and idiotic.

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He turned 42 years old on 27th of july but the age is still marked as 41 on his page. Thank you.

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Jumping Russian Legsweep's reference, wrestleview, which is considered "a reliable source" is "

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Uncited sections and use of unreliable sources like onlineworldofwrestling and Wrestle Zone.

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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/376444/20120822/amy-schumer-dolph-ziggler-wwe-sex-athlete.htm

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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/376444/20120822/amy-schumer-dolph-ziggler-wwe-sex-athlete.htm

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Reverse Bulldog's refernce, PW Torch, is also considered a reliable source. The link is to "

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What other article are named is irrelevant. Articles should be titled by their common name (

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absent evidence of COMMONNAME. His time in WWE overshadows the rest of his career for now.

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/30/1849718_p2/wwe-superstar-dolph-ziggler-prepares.html

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No. Reason: The move 'Jumping Russian Legsweep' is not called the 'Zig-Zag' in the source.

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as his time as Dolph Ziggler overshadows his time in other companies. Also a case of

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Rather than delete this detail, I have instead noted that it is unrecognized by WWE.

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with John Morrison and Snooki, and a new look, so I reflected that in that section.

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http://whatculture.com/wwe/dolph-ziggler-out-of-action-due-to-filming-wwe-movie.php

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I found a photo of Ziggler as World Heavyweight Champion that I would like to add.

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http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/intercontinental/20140922-dolph-ziggler

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http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/worldheavyweight/20140408-dolph-ziggler

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http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/intercontinental/20141214-dolph-ziggler

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http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/intercontinental/20140817-dolph-ziggler

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http://prorasslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/ziggler-champ.jpg?w=270&h=378

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No. Reason: See above reasons, but I'll summarise here to <quoting you: -->

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http://www.wwe.com/shows/royalrumble/2013/royal-rumble-match-26080784/page-5

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Could it be verified as well and it's not some mistaken edit, Thank you.

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I have checked many websites and photos and they all say they are dating

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PWI ranked him #6 of the top 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2012

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Nikki Bella is again an employee of WWE so 'former' should be removed.

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http://www.pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TV_Reports_9/article_35422.shtml

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same move so I have removed the finisher of jumping russian legsweep.

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http://www.wwe.com/inside/wwe-body-shop-pain-and-gain-26138579/page-1

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No. Reason: Only the Reverse bulldog is sourced as being the Zig-Zag.

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Definitely more appropriate for the Zig Zag if you watch the videos.

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http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/worldheavyweight/201012192

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Users, IP's, and BOT's. How could it not be a reliable source?!----

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That information is WRONG !!! He was ranked 16th and not 6th !

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I apologise for editing your comment above, but please read and

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was just a joke segment, but should it be added as a ring name?

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is false and not associated with Dolph Ziggler or even used.

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I heard it myself live and here are several reliable sources:

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So I guess I'll wait 5 or 10 years before I do this again?----

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from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially

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To update or at least upload Ziggler holding the World Title

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the

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