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315:...I think a category should be added for "Purevideo software", since that's ANOTHER point of confusion. The add-on Purevideo software is basically just an MPEG-2 video player (since XP doesn't come with an MPEG-2 decoder), with some extra fancy post-processing modes not available to third-party players like PowerDVD, WinDVD, etc. If you're only interested in the hardware-acceleration, then any third-party DVD-player (PowerDVD, WinDVD, Nero Showtime, etc.) is sufficient -- the hardware-decoding is accessed through a public-API called DirectX-VA.
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