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Lithuania are about as long, if not longer, than the sections covering the Republic of Russia and certain people who edited this article have sought reduce its scope to a rap sheet of alleged crimes committed by partisans. The article gives the impression that the Soviet partisan movement was as prevalent in Poland and Finland as in Russia. Leonid Grenkevich on p.234 of his book summarizes: "...partisan fighting affected many regions but was particularly prevalent in German occupied Belorussia, the Leningrad, Kalinin, Smolensk and Orel Districts of the Russian Republic, and in the Ukraine. This partisan warfare on so vast a scale was unprecedented in Russian history." So, if the Soviet partisan movement was most prevalent in the Belarus, Ukraine, and the Leningrad, Kalinin, Smolensk and Orel provinces of Russia then I feel that the article should primarily concentrate on those regions. But this article concentrates extraordinarily heavily on Poland, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania - is it because this article has been infiltrated by ethno-nationalist interests from and sympathetic to those countries?
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This article suffers from some challenges. I may be wrong, though it's quite possible that this article has been infiltrated by ethno-nationalist schools of thought, particularly from Poland and Finland, seeking to portray the Soviet partisans as bad guys. The sections on Poland, Finland, Latvia,
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I'm sorry, GCB, but "related content" ≠ "related articles." But beyond whatever arcane APL rules are being invoked, I just don't think this particular dispute calls for an indef ECP at this time. Call it my
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While some content may be missing, the bulk of revisions should focus on removing Soviet/Russian unreliable propaganda sources, and verifying the facts with independent Western scholarly work. --
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Well they certainly were not good guys if that's what you're asking. They were hostile towards Polish, Finnish, etc. forces. -
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but curiously this article doesn't have devote a single word to that fact. The article is in need of fundamental revisions
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ECP request. To my knowledge, there is no "related content" clause as an arbitration remedy for it like there is in
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may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the
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procedure applies to this page. This page is related to Eastern Europe or the Balkans, which has been
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until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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Ugh, hate when edit conflicts make me lose everything. Forced to reconstruct more tersely (lazy).
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To clarify, the contested edit isn't related to Polonization in Belarus and vice versa,
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The article isn't protected -- if you feel some things are missing, then add them in.
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Sorry, maybe it was Ukrainian...? I forget now, but regardless, same thing.
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You mean, the polish nazi police and the finnish collaborators?
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