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Publication information is important in a book article. I added in a line about publication in the first section. Is there anymore specific information you think should be included? I have noticed articles finding it hard to balance this, some give a needless list of different international editions.
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Because of these issues, mainly the ones involving referencing, I will unfortunately have to fail this article. I urge you to renominate the article at GAN again once my comments are resolved, and I'd be happy to see if I agree with the changes you've made if you drop a note on my talk page. I hope
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2(a): "it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the guide to layout" The biggest problem with the article is citations not backing up the information they are said to be citing. Below is a
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3(b): "it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail" This is not met in the plot summary; too many minute details are included. Please read through it and see if it directly impacts the plot. For example, you can take out
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They are not the author's words, she says (referring to his existing oeuvre) "His precise, taut prose cuts clean as a scalpel, and his forensic intelligence addresses steadily the deepest of human horrors: incest, murder, psychosis, and so
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Mainly, the issue here is that it doesn't contain anything on the publication of the book. Outside of the infobox, the publisher's name isn't even mentioned, and that fact that there are four chapters is hidden in the
412:*"something must surely be waiting to go wrong" the reference given does not support this; the closest it comes is saying that the main character feels the need to keep working in order to justify his nice lifestyle 254:*"hailed as an exemplar of fiction post 11 September 2001" as I'm guessing post-9/11 is being used as an adjective for "fiction", this should be reworded "hailed as an exemplar of post-11 September 2001 fiction" 643:
The style guidelines say that this should be emphaised only if there is interesting information to relate. Aside from the publisher and date, I don't think there is much to tell regarding that. --
113:) and I'll be reviewing the article for GA status. I'll be watching this page, and I'll be very active over the next few days, so any comments/questions you have for me can be left here. Thanks, 297:
In the article in general, the tone is often a bit too informal. Examples include "put some of his own life into", "checked over", and "circle of friends". There is much more present in the
714:*He lunches at home, again chatting with his son. Afterward he buys some fish from a local fishmonger for dinner and visits his mother, suffering from vascular dementia, in a nursing home." 719:
removed luncheon, but the others are actually important parts of the novel, beaware that this is a novel about a man's ordinary day, reading the plot synopsis might seem a little boring.--
336:"it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, jargon, words to avoid, fiction, and list incorporation" Pretty good in this aspect 161:*"planned a series of jobs and pleasures" sounds a bit odd; why is it necessary to note that a neurosurgeon plans on going to work? Wouldn't that be expected? 433:"making him aware of the fragility of life and consciousness's reliance on the functioning brain" I can't find anything of this type in this cited work 66: 577:"An Iraqi professor he treated has told him of the brutality Saddam Hussein's rule, but also takes seriously his children's concerns about the war." 233:*The sentence beginning with "For example" doesn't actually seem like an example of the last sentence. It also seems a bit out of place in the lead. 62: 437:
Basically, all the references are formatted differently from one another, and many need publishers and retrieval dates. I suggest using the
47: 449:*Reference one has an author listed on the link, and it needs a period between the date it was published and the date it was retrieved 39: 140:*I don't feel "the invasion of Iraq" is enough background; someone reading this in 20 years may or may not know what this refers to 353:
It is about this length already. I feel it's adqueate for an article of this length. Is there anything else that can be included?
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Two instances of contractions have been left, since they are in quotation marks. Please change or post other examples. --
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1(a): "the prose is clear and the spelling and grammar are correct" While this is not the largest issue, a copy-edit is
110: 532:"Perowne's composure and success mean the implied violence is in the background", aside from this not making sense 306:
Fixed this problems, will watch for others. "circle of friends" isn't too familiar. Possibly request a copyiedit
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The paraphrase may sound a bit like OR, but it is a sincere attempt not to plagiarise the review. --
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There are too many one- or two-line paragraphs; each paragraph should be at least three sentences
598:"dealing with the change in lifestyle faced by Westerners after the 11th of September attacks" 145:
This pipe link was changed, so this is now a wikilink to the event. The date is also given. --
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Unfortunately, a number of issues are present in the article. Comparing it against the
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2(c): "it contains no original research" perhaps the largest issue, most notably the
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this article gets promoted eventually, and wish you luck in that regard. Cheers,
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This are really a summary of what comes below. Have been deleted with no loss. --
744: 728: 703: 692:*"He descends to the kitchen and has an amiable conversation with his son Theo" 681: 652: 620: 591: 570: 549: 525: 493: 426: 405: 364: 319: 290: 268: 247: 226: 205: 179: 154: 122: 94: 736: 464:*Reference 2 needs a publisher, publication date, and (presumably) an author 191:*"The novel explores a sense place in the modern world" isn't comprehensible 114: 100: 86: 611:
Cited from the Zoe Heller article. See the 5th paragraph of the review. --
556:"Perowne's world view is rebutted by his daughter, Daisy, a young poet." 186:"encounter with violence" is unclear; the article can be more specific 375:(I only checked a few claims, and most of them appear below) of the 342:
The lead should be expanded a bit, perhaps two well-sized paragraphs
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section. Also, there are contractions such as "didn't" and "he's"
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section mentioned how long the book was on the best-seller lists
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reccomended. The below issues are coming just from the lead:
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Again mentioned in both the book, and numerous sources. --
535:"Perowne expresses a distaste for some modern literature" 74: 43: 212:*Missing an "it": "very existence in are questioned" 659:Much less of an issue, but it would be nice if the 628:3(a): "it addresses the main aspects of the topic" 166:'Jobs' meant chores, that is clear from the text. 469:note that this newspaper does not use by-lines.-- 540:This is mentioned in every single cited work. -- 379:section. Also, reference formatting needs work 417:changed article to match source more closely-- 8: 511:*The entire first three lines of the section 582:Just a summation of what happends. -- 7: 670:*The times the novel begins and ends 24: 608:This one needs a citation then. 1: 477:) 22:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 462:) 22:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 760: 447:templates for consistency 406:20:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC) 320:20:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC) 745:21:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC) 729:22:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 704:22:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 682:22:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 653:22:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 621:14:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 592:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 571:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 550:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 526:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 494:22:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC) 427:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 365:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 291:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 269:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 248:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 227:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 206:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 180:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 155:14:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC) 123:21:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC) 95:21:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC) 129:good article criteria 18:Talk:Saturday (novel) 276:*Typo: "interwowen" 751: 446: 440: 79: 70: 51: 759: 758: 754: 753: 752: 750: 749: 748: 444: 438: 60: 37: 31: 29: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 757: 755: 732: 731: 711: 710: 689: 688: 665: 664: 656: 655: 639: 638: 626: 625: 624: 623: 600: 599: 595: 594: 579: 578: 574: 573: 558: 557: 553: 552: 537: 536: 533: 529: 528: 503: 502: 435: 434: 430: 429: 409: 408: 394: 389: 388: 368: 367: 344: 343: 332: 331: 327: 326: 308: 307: 303: 302: 294: 293: 273: 272: 251: 250: 230: 229: 209: 208: 188: 187: 183: 182: 158: 157: 99:Hi there, I'm 80: 28: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 756: 747: 746: 742: 738: 730: 726: 722: 718: 717: 716: 715: 708: 707: 706: 705: 701: 697: 693: 686: 685: 684: 683: 679: 675: 671: 662: 658: 657: 654: 650: 646: 641: 640: 636: 631: 630: 629: 622: 618: 614: 610: 609: 607: 606: 605: 604: 597: 596: 593: 589: 585: 581: 580: 576: 575: 572: 568: 564: 560: 559: 555: 554: 551: 547: 543: 539: 538: 534: 531: 530: 527: 523: 519: 515: 514: 513: 512: 508: 501: 498: 497: 496: 495: 491: 487: 483: 480: 476: 472: 468: 465: 461: 457: 453: 450: 443: 432: 431: 428: 424: 420: 416: 415: 414: 413: 407: 403: 399: 395: 391: 390: 386: 383:Reference 6 ( 382: 381: 380: 378: 374: 366: 362: 358: 354: 351: 350: 348: 347: 345: 341: 340: 338: 337: 329: 328: 324: 323: 322: 321: 317: 313: 305: 304: 300: 296: 295: 292: 288: 284: 280: 279: 278: 277: 270: 266: 262: 258: 257: 256: 255: 249: 245: 241: 237: 236: 235: 234: 228: 224: 220: 216: 215: 214: 213: 207: 203: 199: 195: 194: 193: 192: 185: 184: 181: 177: 173: 169: 165: 164: 163: 162: 156: 152: 148: 144: 143: 142: 141: 137: 132: 130: 125: 124: 120: 116: 112: 109: 106: 102: 97: 96: 92: 88: 85: 81: 78: 77: 73: 68: 64: 59: 58: 54: 49: 45: 41: 36: 35: 26: 19: 733: 713: 712: 691: 690: 669: 666: 660: 634: 627: 602: 601: 510: 506: 504: 499: 481: 478: 466: 463: 451: 448: 436: 411: 410: 384: 376: 372: 369: 352: 349: 346: 339: 335: 333: 309: 298: 275: 274: 253: 252: 232: 231: 211: 210: 190: 189: 167: 160: 159: 139: 135: 133: 126: 107: 98: 83: 82: 75: 71: 57:Article talk 56: 52: 33: 30: 238:changed. -- 44:visual edit 373:spot-check 661:Reception 385:The Times 217:fixed. -- 196:removed-- 84:Reviewer: 27:GA Review 509:section 299:Synopsis 259:change-- 111:contribs 721:Ktlynch 709:Removed 696:Ktlynch 687:removed 674:Ktlynch 645:Ktlynch 637:section 613:Ktlynch 584:Ktlynch 563:Ktlynch 542:Ktlynch 518:Ktlynch 486:Ktlynch 471:Ktlynch 456:Ktlynch 419:Ktlynch 398:Ktlynch 357:Ktlynch 312:Ktlynch 283:Ktlynch 281:fixed-- 261:Ktlynch 240:Ktlynch 219:Ktlynch 198:Ktlynch 172:Ktlynch 168:Changed 147:Ktlynch 67:history 48:history 34:Article 635:Themes 507:Themes 442:cite x 377:Themes 136:highly 482:Fixed 467:Fixed 452:Fixed 334:1(b): 76:Watch 16:< 741:talk 737:Mm40 725:talk 700:talk 678:talk 649:talk 617:talk 588:talk 567:talk 546:talk 522:talk 500:etc. 490:talk 475:talk 460:talk 423:talk 402:talk 393:on." 361:talk 316:talk 287:talk 265:talk 244:talk 223:talk 202:talk 176:talk 151:talk 119:talk 115:Mm40 105:talk 101:Mm40 91:talk 87:Mm40 63:edit 40:edit 743:) 727:) 702:) 694:-- 680:) 672:-- 651:) 619:) 590:) 569:) 548:) 524:) 492:) 484:-- 454:-- 445:}} 439:{{ 425:) 404:) 363:) 355:-- 330:ok 318:) 289:) 267:) 246:) 225:) 204:) 178:) 170:-- 153:) 131:: 121:) 93:) 65:| 46:| 42:| 739:( 723:( 698:( 676:( 647:( 615:( 586:( 565:( 544:( 520:( 488:( 473:( 458:( 421:( 400:( 359:( 314:( 285:( 271:d 263:( 242:( 221:( 200:( 174:( 149:( 117:( 108:· 103:( 89:( 72:· 69:) 61:( 53:· 50:) 38:(

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