Talk:Sabrina Carpenter discography/Archive 1

1170:. There was never consensus to make the page "accessibility-compliant"; IJBall was reverted two days after doing making the edit and proposing it on the talk page—nobody besides you and your friends believes that constitutes a consensus. Making an RFPP request calling it like I saw it is not getting on a moral high ground; I'm sorry you still feel that way. All your responses are morality-spouting BS nonsense where you think you're such a great upstanding editor by "caring"/virtue signalling for the visually-impaired, but by all means, continue to reply here when you said you'd be taking the page off your watchlist. I'm sure you can come up with ever more ridiculous comparisons to make, where you presume everybody is a straight white male for the sake of said comparisons. So much for not getting 977:

impartial editors are going to agree that is the right way to go about changing an article. Proposing something on the talk page and not having any objections immediately raised there (but where there have been objections raised through another reverting you on the actual article) doesn't mean you then have a pass to continue reverting to your preferred version, especially when the other editor probably hasn't even noticed the talk page discussion. It really does not matter what the core issue is—it's still essentially a

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accessibility-compliant, but you are too stubborn and biased to see that. I'm done with this article and will be removing it from my watchlist. Have fun continuing to discriminate against people. See where that gets you. Flooded, Ss112, you're just as bad as the people who discriminate against people of color and LGBT. When you're old and discriminated against for your age, let's see how you like it. Hopefully that happens. But you'll probably still be too stubborn.

31: 389:: the non-discrimination policy. A WP cannot ignore the latter because they've been "doing certain things a long time" and "like the way it looks" (which is itself a totally subjective viewpoint, which is absolutely not universally shared). The fact is the music projects have been incredibly lazy on this score (and it's not just with Discographies) since probably Day One, and it's time to push back against it. As to your claim, 1145:. If that's not clear consensus, then I don't know what is. Although that is moot since there already was consensus to make this article accessibility-compliant. It's not my fault you can't see that, either. If anyone here needs to get off their moral high ground, it's you, with your biased and inaccurate RFPP request. All that had to be done was to request protection because of this, not fill it with your biased BS nonsense. 199:, I am clearly enforcing the ACCESSIBILITY guideline regarding improper uses of "rowspan" in the tables. The user has been warned several times about this on their talk page. (And note, the fact that other discography pages throughout Knowledge (XXG) may be using rowspan in a fashion similar to how LOVI33 and other editors have been putting in this article 453:

violating ACCESSIBILITY (that was for an article containing a list of TV programs released or airing this year). Sometimes, we can't take care of these ACCESSIBILITY problems in some articles (at least right away), but as you said, that's no excuse for continuing these violations in articles like this one. Unfortunately, a number of editors (not just

461:) are seemingly wanting the tables in a fashion similar to the rest of the discography tables and are not gonna stop without some more firm guideline about it. WP:DTT does mention the accessibility problem for "rowspan", but as you and Flooded with them hundreds pointed out, it doesn't outright forbid using it. If we continue reverting 323:, I've learned that several experienced editors in discographies (including Ss112; after talking to them privately) are not in favor of removing rowspan from discographies. Since it has been in the article for a long time, it should be considered the "stable/long-standing version" and your removal of it was reverted, thus per 835: 3024:

be followed, and 2) in general, most Discography tables on this project do not follow WP:ACCESS. That's where we are. And, now, instead of constructively contributing to this discussion, and looking forward for a solution, you are "trying to get other editors in trouble" and looking backwards. Again,

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arguments (aesthetic ones) came up and one suggested taking it to a bigger venue (like the entire record charts project). There's no doubt sometimes rearranging things in a table can get pretty sticky, and I remember bringing up on my talk page about a larger article containing many tables that are

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The point is that those rowspans should go away because they are disfavored for accessibility for multiple reasons (rowspans should be bigger on the left trending toward single rows on the right per general rowspan concerns--the main column of interest, which is I think in that context the awarded

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accessibility issue with the tables: Table headers are not being used as the first cell in each row in several of the tables. This is also a global change which needs to be amended--the best amendment for which would be to move those table headings to the first column (and removing the rowspans in

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with respect to accessibility. Bringing this article into compliance with WMF policy is required and was done and the article should never be reverted to be out of compliance. Other methods may be possible to keep article both pretty and accessible and it is worthwhile to explore alternatives that

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that says using rowspans can cause issues for screen readers is not Knowledge (XXG)-wide consensus and I don't think you'll find many outside this sphere of influence will find it is). Until ACCESS is a policy and we need to follow it, then making one article your battleground for change when it's

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a right way to use 'rowspan', but there are also 'wrong' ways, if anyone is interested in finding out the specifics. Finally, "WP:MUSIC" doesn't "own" the articles within its purview – that's really not what WP's are supposed to do, and it is not assumed that all articles under a "WP" need to be

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in a pretty short amount of time, but then ignored BRD by not going back to the talk page to actually get a consensus or encouraging Gemsweater1 to contribute there, but by continuing to revert anybody who changed it and then asking friends to back him up. I think you all will find that not many

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consensus be. The people who wish to conform to ACCESS vs those who want a pretty table and think ACCESS is secondary to that goal. The images you left illustrate the issue fairly well. At this point we should leave the article ACCESS compliant and continue the discussion to see if we can form a

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and edits (not bold as done after consensus met) were made to support that new consensus. Later edits and this discussion show a desire to change that consensus back to the way it was before, that is where the onus lies to gain a new consensus to do that. The second issue is what should that new

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basis, I prefer the formatting of the first example table ("year-first") over the second example table ("title first"), and my understanding was always that you can still put 'scope="row"' element into the second cell in a row, and it's still "OK". (If I'm wrong on that, let me know!...)

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Agree with IJBall. How this article was prior to June this year is irrelevant since it was doing things wrong. Editing an article so it complies with things does not require discussion. And the point on consensus is moot, anyway. There are four editors here who want this article to be

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when not to use 'roswpan', so we'll use it wherever we like!!" IOW, right now, the problem is less that that WP:DISCOGRAPHY (and its FL's) isn't following WP:ACCESS – it's that WP:ACCESS and WP:DTT probably are not clear enough on this point. That's probably why a discussion at

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I will calm down when I actually see evidence that that is not an issue. We now have five editors here who want this to be accessibility-compliant, so it's not just me as you claim. But neither you nor the other editor can see that, and both of you are just strongly reeking of

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argument. Other articles doing it wrong doesn't mean this article should also do it wrong, and consensus at other articles only applies to those articles. Each article requires its own consensus, which you do not have here. You might want to learn how things actually work.

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I don't mind putting rowspan on the album's final column for singles, but if the case is that there are a lot of non-album singles sprinkled in-between albums, then do not rowspan. Do you have examples of discographies that meet ACCESS standards? I'm looking at FL

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This is not something we made up. It's also shocking, frankly, that a WikiProject thinks its narrow aesthetic interests are somehow more important that our text-to-speech readership, and seems to have no interest in accommodating that segment of our readership.

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put above.) On the other hand, looking at LOVI33's most recent two attempts, they were attempting to add an upcoming promotional single, "Bad Time", to the list, which looks like an acceptable part of their edit, and I would have no problem retaining that bit.

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They aren't part of the regular album as released in their primary country and worldwide editions, but only on the special Japanese editions. That's why I grouped them as non-album singles. The footnotes are fairly clear they are only on the special edition.

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due to improper use of 'rowspan' which disadvantages our readership who use text-to-speech readers. If no one else gets to this first, I intend to fix this in the new future by eliminating the improper use of 'rowspan' from the tables in this article.

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instance of use of rowspans is not the right way to go about it or even to start going about it. I am not really going to continue debating here, just offering another voice, so y'all can pick apart what I have said, but no need to ping me. Thanks.

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seriously to get this worked up over something a friend told you about. Also, none of this is coming from my "mouth"; we're typing words on an online encyclopedia here. I'm not sure if you're able to tell the difference between on- and offline...

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is consensus until disagreement is voiced. Other than your small group of buddies here, no one has supported removing rowspan from the article, instead multiple editors including myself, LOVI33, Songsteel and Ss112 have indicated disapproval to

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Finally commenting here (probably against better judgement because I'll have every part of what I write dissected), but Flooded with them hundreds is right. Being reverted (indirectly or not) two days later means "silence is consensus" does

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rowspan since 2015. Therefore that is the "current consensus" and it should be reverted to that version. Other than the broken tables, removing rowspan creates an inconsistency against the norms of discography articles in Knowledge (XXG).

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examples which are at least fairly accessible. Better still would be to make the interesting column of those tables the row headings (rather than the dates--I know we all like dates first) and subsequently marked up as such. For example:

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is exactly what you've done here – to your preferred version, you have propagated the WP:ACCESS-violations from Gomez's page to this one. That's the opposite of constructive editing. You have also tried to add unsourced genres, etc. to

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and both of us agree that this is what should be done. Also why not? It dosen't take very long to revert it to this style and I think all discography articles should look like this. Plus it looks nicer and cleaner. Thanks for reading

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has been emitted. Th says "I am a table header" and one says "I am a table cell"... can you explain to a blind person why the header cell came after the table cell? :) (As for scopes, those only have meaning on header cells i.e th.)

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be removed. It only encourages to make reading and editing articles easier for everyone but that's not relevant to rowspan at all, just look at the damage you have caused by removing it. It looks terribly messed up now thanks to the

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not going to achieve anything on Knowledge (XXG) by claiming everybody who doesn't agree with your point of view is essentially a racist or homophobe. If we're stubborn, you and IJBall are too because you're going this hard over a

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So much for removing the page from your watchlist, Amaury? Yes, and four of whom, including yourself, were recruited by your friends, and I presume Izno was notified off-wiki because he participated in a June 2018 discussion at

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by removing rowspans from tables at other articles (not sure whether it was discography tables or not), so certainly input from them or other editors at large can ensure that we are following the non-discrimination policy in

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forms a consensus. Editors in the following section who are now disagreeing should have spoken up when the issue was first proposed. Consensus can, of course change, but people can't say this was just some random BOLD edit.

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should probably shut up now? But oh no, gotta get the last word in because you won't "back down", yeah? That seems pretty contradictory, much like the "nonsense BS" you imply you hate. Jesus, you must take Knowledge (XXG)

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Note that Taylor Swift's New Romantics song is on the Deluxe edition which is still worldwide and not specific to Japan, so that can stay as is. And the Jonas Blue is the same discography issue so I will fix that one.

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FL's. I wouldn't delist right away, but point out what are the good ones and then get them to meet the standards. But the FL ones I'm seeing so far ALL have rowspan'ed albums and years for their singles listings.

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I don't really understand why you are just doing this just on this article. Legit every other discography article is in this fashion. I strongly disagree with your opinion. Here are some that I have seen.

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offshoot) above, but you all seem not very interested in what it actually means. In any case, "rowspan has been in discography for a long time" is about the definition of a lousy excuse (it's the hallmark

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Pandora Sessions has 3 tracks, which means it is a single album, not mini album or extended play. Single album has 2 until 3 tracks, while mini album or EP has 4 until 7 tracks. It's a single album!

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who has looked into this issue a lot more than I have, is more active on the WP:MUSIC end than I am, and has had several discussions on this issue that he may be able to specifically point to. --

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released a new music video today for "You're A Mean One Mr.Grinch" but I am unsure if it was released as a single. I added it to the featured artist music videos but not to featured singles.

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tables (which is holding up pretty well), and some effort to remove them from 'Awards and nominations' tables (and I've definitely noticed that those 'Awards and nominations' that are

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That's nice and all to show how it works with Awards tables, but practically all the FL singles discographies use rowspan on Year and Album, indicating a more serious contention.

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but it still says on the discography table that it is apart of the album. I don't want to get into any edit wars so could a professional Knowledge (XXG) user help me out. Thanks

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keep spouting nonsense BS, I will not back down. But you can just shut up now. I'm done with you. Any further comments from your mouth will be sent to the dog pile.

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RFC will likely be needed as editors, including one here, are continuing their disruptive behavior. Saying other articles do it is not a valid rationale to violate

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by watching those pages. For someone who chastised me elsewhere for assuming bad faith (and doing so invalidly), that sure looks like assuming bad faith to me. --

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the only editor who did so); at any point, any of the editors whom I reverted could have chosen to post to the Talk page discussion to discuss the issue, as per

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article and article was changed to match what was agreed on in the discussion. What other articles do does not override that formed consensus for this article.

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until the ACCESS issues are resolved. (Another example of why I'm suspicious of the FA/FL/GA process – because too many articles like these slip through...) --

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I still strongly disagree with this. It would only make sense if it were part of the original album in the country produced, which has 8 tracks, 25 mins.

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is on those who didn't bother commenting when the issue was first raised and a consensus formed because of that to show why this should be revisited.

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nonsense – the feelings of a specific Wikiproject cannot overrule guidelines and policies on Knowledge (XXG) without a really good reason, and the

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I support this as well, just to be clear. And since it was proposed 5 months ago, plenty of time for other comments, and had no opposition then

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that editor eleven hours later, hence causing this long-term edit war in which numerous other editors have been reverted by him and his clique.

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and not constructive. But outside of LOVI33's 'rowspan' violating edits, I think the rest of their edits have been net constructive here. --

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Basically agree: most 'Discography tables' (as well as many 'Awards and nominations' tables, and some Filmography tables) blatantly violate

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Once again, you don't understand the process, so I will explain it to you for the last time, before I ignore you completely: this was a

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by using 'rowspan' in the middle or on the right-hand side of these tables – that doesn't matter: doing that is flat out wrong, ignores

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There are two issues now. A discussion was held, the participants, both overt and silent supported changing the article to support

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in "fixing the issue", I'm pretty sure that columns in 'Discography' tables just need to be switched around in order to make them

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with merged cells and a little bio at the top, and I strongly agree that it should stay this way. I have talked with people like

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to racism and homophobia. What an absolutely ridiculous comparison and overreaction. You need to get off your moral high ground.

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Next time they do it (and they will), report to AIV – "Resumed disruptive editing immediately upon completion of block". --

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It's on my 'To Do' list, but real-world/work concerns are getting in the way right now – not sure when I'll get to it... --

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are not clear enough on this point, and some editors and some wikiprojects are basically saying, "Well, WP:ACCESS doesn't

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It's unfortunate that WP:DTT isn't more clear on the subject, but this sentence right there makes it clear that 'rowspan'

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I'm looking at Focus (song) and yes, it refers to the Japanese edition, so I am marking that on the discography as such.

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you obviously don't understand that process either – Admins do NOT "block" editors unless they think there is a risk of

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does so multiple times, and never bothers to ask for clarification on why they are being reverted – that's just pure

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I can make the footnotes more clear but they are still apart of the album so they should be categorized as apart of

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I agree that the use of 'rowspan' on the project is a festering problem that will likely need an RfC to settle, but

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Please do not colspan the music videos columns with the "As featured artist", that's a more egregious violation of

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on changes before you make them. Because if you continue on your current path, more blocks are likely to result. --

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violations but since rowspan has been in discography for a long time it is the "default" version and status quo.

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Congratulations on finally joining the discussion. The problem is that your argument is the pinnacle of "because

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apply. IJBall proposed something here, was encouraged by Jax 0677 to "be bold!", he got around to making the

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I'm not really much of a WP:MUSIC editor, so I can't point to one (outside of this article, which is not

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situation – a discussion was held, and there was support for following this project's own guidelines,

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The single was released last year so yes, the music video was released in 2018, the single in 2017.

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an ACCESS problem, and this should be avoided. Beyond this, I'm not saying anymore, but I will ping

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You can calm down with the ridiculous accusations of "discrimination" and comparing use of bloody

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Please consider starting an RfC here or at VP to formally start the consensus-seeking process.

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issue dates away from the first column to make the table conform to ACCESSIBILITY, but the same

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is also FL and they rowspan'ed the year in the first column and the album in the last column.

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and its subgroups are definitely one of the most flagrant violators on this front (on flimsy

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Basically, there's been a relatively concerted effort to remove 'rowspan' violations from

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in the 'Album' column. (This is what I was referring to earlier – this one might be made

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itself. The best advice to you is that you need to slow down your editing, and actually

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Just because something is featured does not mean it cannot be further improved. :) --

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is a guideline for ways enwiki can implement the WMF foundation's non-discrimination

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non-album singles on the discography table when they are on the Japanese edition of

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efforts to change that discussed consensus back to one that goes against WP:ACCESS.

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a "compelling" reason to ignore a guideline in support of our non-discrimination

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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reason not to do so. What WP:DISCOGRAPHY believes are "pretty" tables is

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with inappropriate 'rowspan' use, so there's clearly an effort in the

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The issue as I see it, as I've mentioned on my talk page, is that

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I can let you look at a discussion I started earlier this year at

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There is no consensus at all regarding this and the so-called

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work should also be the heading, which is the furthest left).

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List of awards and nominations received by Jennifer Lawrence

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As the one reverting the last three groups of edits made by

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IJBall has reverted experienced extended-confirmed users (

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As I stated above, I support your original proposal and I

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use of 'rowspan' isn't one of them. Let's be clear here –

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that they may be able to back up with one tiny part of a

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about what to do about this is probably in order... --

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Oh, please. Semantics. If you're so "done with me",

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violations from those sets of articles...). But the

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