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cleanup and additional citations and then proceed accordingly by doing what's necessary and remove the banners. I didn't see a single "citation needed" anywhere on the article which means that he did not even read the article entirely and placed the banner just like that. I am guessing he did it because it seemed obvious to him that the article MUST have issues just because there is a COI. So either you need to bring an editor to expand the article and use the sources mentioned above, add more citations, do the cleanup and remove the banners. Or someone who can read the article in its entirety, confirm my claims that the article is already neutral and well-cited and remove the banners. Best,
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is a part of a major international art publication; major interviews; links of all of this can be found above. So, if you look at the sources above, none of them are or have ever been used in the article before. And like I have said before many times, even though there is a COI, you can go through the entire article and would not find any biased or advertisement-like statements. Proof of that can be seen in the recent edit of Sionk where he deleted the BLP sources template and wrote this as the edit summary "no apparent unsourced parts of this article, no reason indicated for adding refimprove template, so I've removed it (again))". Hope I have been clear enough. Thank you.
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would like you to fix this article and don't just leave banners or citations needed tags on the article. I just want to ask how is the source #7 "House of
Pakistan" on the article is unreliable? The website posts news from all over Pakistan and is not a wordpress blog or anything its a legit website. So I want to know can a website not be used as a third-party source? I mean all the sources do they must be from a news publication or something that is coming from a news agency etc? From my experience, I don't think that's the case and real .com websites Can Be used as third party sources, but please shed some light on this.
1102:, and I agreed to never edit this article again. The conversation on my talk page and the one on the article's talk page took place in January and no one has come forward to improve the article ever since. I can say with complete confidence that everything in the article is well sourced and unbiased and even the new links that I have shared above this section are all strong third party links. You can go through the article, all the references over there, the new ones over here and be the judge. I think except the very first link of Sanat Initiative, all links are working. Anyway, looking forward to a positive response.
1021:"Sources" are meant to confirm statements and claims made by an article. There is a section of external links, but I don't believe that's what you're asking for here, which is to add the listings of these links in the body of the article. But Knowledge is not meant to be a collection of links. If there is no additional context to be placed with these URL's in the form of a narrative prose discussing them and their significance, then they need not be added to the article. Regards,
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tagged and later the tags were removed by consensus of senior editors, I read all of this in the Talk history pages of this article and the user page of the creator of this article. Will go through the articles you have created and edited to take inspiration to expand this article properly. Best wishes.
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Ok, thank you. Looking forward to the time when you will start contributing. Until then, I will cleanup and expand this myself while also searching for other expert editors like you. This article is wrongfully tagged though, the issues stated in the tags were resolved years ago when it was previously
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when he asked me who I was. I disclosed my identity to him on my user talk page and then over here as well and added this
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As far as Sanki King being an editor himself is concerned, that account does not look like a Secret
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Please help with the article and have the COI banner removed; it's been a year since I first requested assistance from you. I have continuously openly asked for an editor to go through the article and confirm its neutrality but I have received no response in 1 year. I am still confident that the COI
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All of the above sources were never a part of the article and have been posted here not only to be added to the article as references but so that their content can be used to expand the article as well. Since I myself am Sanki King, due to COI I cannot suggest how and which sources should be used to
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Thanks for considering. Though the pioneer of graffiti etc part is not actually something added by me and not for promotion at all, it is mentioned in several news publications over the years which are a part of this article and I can point all of them out to you if you want confirmation. It is not
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Actually, brother, the issue is not that I want something changed; I want new third party sources to be added to the article so that it can be made stronger and expanded using the new sources. For example, I gave a TEDx talk in 2016; I was a major part of the first
Karachi Biennale in 2017; my work
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Maxdorx, indeed, the lead should contain no references at all, like in scholarly essays or reports, it is an introduction to what is already referenced in the body of the article. So mess, yes, you are indeed correct there. And thank you for the guide on writing leads. I have written many hundreds
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I was one of the headliner artists of the show, as seen in all the links especially the press release of the show by the Abu Dhabi Media Office, the 1st Press link. If you open the 2nd Louvre Link which says âcontemporary artâ, I am specially mentioned as one of the 3 featured artists of the show.
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Any article tagged recently, it is best to wait 6 months or a year, whoever put the tag will be monitoring the article. Practise on other articles now, do anther 50 or so, until you are an expert, then come back to this one. Remember, there is no need for references in the lead, it only refelects
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I have struggled with expanding this article, most of the edits I do on
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Also the source #18 "Can't touch this" that you have also marked as "not given in citation", I used that source because the paragraph that it is used on starts with this "King is one of the early leaders of b-boying and parkour in
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To me, the COI banner seems legit and after my disclosure I told
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There are two banners on top of the article. First one says "This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources." And the second one says that because of COI the article needs cleanup for a neutral point of view. The banners were
529:"The boys began with Pakor (the writer misspelled Parkour) â a skill that involved reaching from point A to point B in the shortest, quickest way possible. Twenty-one-year-old Abdullah Ahmed Khan, aka Sanki, was one of the pioneers." So I used this source in that context. I hope you get my point.
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I don't know what you mean by style of writing. Almost everything in the article is taken from the third party sources which are news articles published on Sanki King, I did not write much from my own, what you read is what is mentioned in the articles. But you look more experienced than me so I
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I don't see a major problem with sourcing or grammar, so I've removed the clean-up templates. A number of people have already worked to improve the article. Everything is sourced, though admittedly some sources are much better than others. For example "Campus
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Thanks for your editing attempts so far but Iâll search and ping editors who are art experts and share the exhibition history with them so they can help expand the article properly. The âgallery artâ heading for the section where the museum show is mentioned is incorrect; Louvre Abu Dhabi is a
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please do so. And also if you can provide me with (a) link(s) that can help me and guide me regarding expanding Knowledge articles and make them legit, that'll be awesome. For now I'm going through the articles that you have created to see how you write. Peace
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before and never once read that, it would have been useful!! I think my method sort of follows that anyway. When I get a spare hour or 2, I will look to edit Damien Hirst's article, he is certainly a big name in the art world. I shall put that on the radar.
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Webpage has been updated in the External Links section but not in the info box. And none of the 3 direct links from the Louvre Abu Dhabiâs website are added to the article, which are the most authentic sources of the exhibition, may I ask
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something self-proclaimed and then added to the article. Thanks for the removal of COI I am grateful. Cheers. Also, just above your message you will see 4 new authentic 3rd party sources/links which should be added to the article.
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Would really appreciate if any of you can help to improve/expand this article. I myself am Sanki King and I was editing this article with a direct COI. I have already discussed the matter in January and no bans were imposed on me,
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In February 2021, I had an exhibition at the Louvre Abu Dhabi Museum, sharing the links below from the Louvre's website and the media coverage. I want this information and the links added to the article. Thank you.
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Okay, I took out some promotional and unsourced language. If you have further edits that you want to suggest should be made, let me know. This article is far from perfect but not obviously inappropriate to me.
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I do this as a hobby, I never work on articles that have been recently tagged. I always wait until the tag is at least a year old. By then the tagger is usually less interested in any changes.
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It has already been 8 months since this article was tagged. Will you be contributing to this article? Thanks for your advice about the lead and references, will keep that in mind. Cheers
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as I have found this to be the most messy article of a notable Pakistani artist, who is the 1st Pakistani artist in history to exhibit at Louvre abu dhabi, as stated here in the biography
2049:, I admit it is my fault for not being clear enough. I was looking for senior art editors by going through the edit history of articles of notable artists, to help me edit this article
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contemporary art museum not a gallery. There needs to be a primary Exhibitions section with âgallery showsâ and âmuseum showsâ sub-sections with the lists of shows.
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