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Yep, that's done it. I think this is one that could hit FA status, if you're interested. Third party sources for the Role section, as I mentioned above, would be a good first step- after that, a peer review and a copyedit, to pick up anything I've missed, and this one might have a shot. In any case,
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Sourcing are reliable, pics are appropriate and stability is good. The article's a good one, not too far from GA status, but I would like to see some reliable sources illustrating the significance of the specific episodes you mentioned to the character. I note that there are some repeat mentions of
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I'm still a little concerned about the lack of secondary sources asserting the importance of those story lines, but I think it's perhaps something that can be overlooked at GA level. I suppose there has to be a degree of judgement from the writers of the article as to what is worth including.
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I'm a little concerned about the fact that a lot of the information you're including in the role section is referenced to episodes themselves- I'd quite like to see some reliable sources outlining the significance of these events to the
1838:"In her 2004 book Dog, Ph.D. Susan McHugh noted that" I'm not sure we need to mention that she has a PhD, but a couple of words saying who she is (dog researcher? Dog expert? Naturalist? I don't know) would be good as an alternative 1805:"He can often be seen on the show in minor appearances, although there have been some episodes that feature him heavily." I'd remove this line, and replace it with something leading into the next line about his introduction. 1482:"from Barbara Woodhouse's authoritarian training methods to Lassie's flawless service to the status quo." Are the square brackets yours? If so, speech marks? Also, could we have the episode the Lassie reference refers to? 2045:
His collar, when worn, often changes color (even within episodes, re: s28 ep22 Dogtown). I have seen red, blue and black. I can't imagine Homer would buy numerous collars. Probably just always escapes and loses them.
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Well, the only episodes included are the ones that revolve around Santa's Little Helper (except "Today I Am a Clown", but that's just a one-sentence mention). I don't think there should be a problem with that.
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I rewrote it a bit, but I think it's important to keep the "there have been some episodes that feature him heavily" part since that kind of defines the scope of the section (see my comment below).
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a Greyhound. He came from a racing track, and they don't race Whippets professionally in the States. His size pretty much fits a Greyhound, keeping in mind all characters are cartoons.
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Perhaps the paragraph on his stupidity belongs in the role section? Perhaps the development section? It's not really anything to do with the reception, it's a fact about the character
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Greyhounds aren't the largest sighthound. Scottish Deerhounds, Irish Wolfhounds, and Borzois are all larger. Irish Wolfhounds are the largest sighthound.
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In the influence section, how about switching the two paras, and mentioning the espresso before the dog walkers? Closing with the magazine cover works.
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I think i saw him getting excited about some gay dogs on a gay pride parade. Can anyone confirm that, cuz i dont remeber what episode that would be? --
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and The Puppy Formerly Known As Prince (NB: Due to an animation mistake, there were 26 puppies in the shot of which the names were sourced from).
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The long quote from Rabin certainly has a place in the article, but perhaps it could be formatted as a blockquote and the wikilinks removed?
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The "sounds" section feels like it's in the wrong order- I get to the end and Welker's in my head, when it's Castenella who now voices SLP
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Whippets do race in the united states. Check the Whippet entry on Wiki to see links to all sorts of racing associations in the U.S.
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Within square brackets, I don't see why not. I can't see anything about it in the MoS- I'll dig out a punctuation guide tomorrow.
2069: 1935: 1221: 1087:, yes I know damn well that my headnote sucked, and had to be removed. But can someone please add a headnote about the helper of 905: 796:. Greyhounds are the largest sighthounds, measuring around 30", while Italian Greyhounds are the smallest, measuring around 15". 1346: 1323: 685:
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Since when is this dog's name Phoney Boney, to my knowledge there has not been a reference to SLH's name being Phoney Boney.
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sources can be found, it could be moved back into the article, preferably in a paragraph format, instead of a list format.
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anyone else realize the name is an annogram for satan? santa's little helper? people often say satan's little helper...
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It helps readers get a better understanding of his popularity. This way you can compare him to other television dogs.
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It's only used three times. Do you have any suggestions on how I can reword it? Because I can't think of anything.
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Hmm... I can't say I agree. I've tried to mix "Santa's Little Helper", "the dog", and "he/his" as much as I can.
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Yes, they are mine. I added the Lassie episode. But can I really use speech marks within speech marks?
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the episodes further down- these would be appropriate. I hope I'm making clear what I'm requesting.
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Because those are all the dogs on the list (and also the only ones that the source mention).
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Thanks again! :) I think I've fixed everything (except perhaps the points I replied to).
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Fair. Sorry, I was thinking it was a list of dogs, not just animals. Yep, that works.
1091:? Santa's little helper is also a very well known name for the helper of Santa Claus. 2063: 1799: 1456:"Simpsons are forced to give Santa's Little Helper away to an ostrich farm" By whom? 1120: 396: 345: 843:(despite the color, I've never seen solid brown Whippet). But he's not a Greyhound! 2055: 2035: 1894: 1885: 1870: 1860: 1831: 1812: 1792: 1773: 1750: 1703: 1681: 1667: 1653: 1631: 1600: 1586: 1577: 1563: 1549: 1527: 1503: 1489: 1471: 1449: 1427: 1413: 1391: 1365: 1269: 1253: 1249: 1213: 1157: 1139: 1128: 1110: 1068: 1058: 1044: 1035: 1032: 1021: 959: 940: 913: 891: 873: 820: 800: 797: 777: 753: 415: 392: 349: 318: 305: 193: 1979: 1717:""Santa's Little Helper". The Simpsons.com. Retrieved 2011-08-16." Remove space? 1257: 1088: 1084: 1076: 585: 567: 400: 361: 357: 1387:
Added that it was the first episode, the rest belongs in the Creation section.
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Seems to be a little bit too much repetition of "the dog" in the role section
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The structure of the "sounds" para still doesn't strike me as quite right
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I'm taking a second read through. I've noted your replies above.
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Above was moved from article to talk page, as it's all unsourced
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He sired twenty-five puppies with "She's The Fastest" in
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Why choose those particular ones? Why not the top five?
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He sired puppies... It says that in the article. --
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