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Francis' name and is mostly fact free (at least in our context of the history of Scalextric.) When I compare the 2 references (taking into account the DM's reputation of being free with the facts on leading stories) I find the DM reference to be far better than the The News references.
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The Daily Mail is deprecated because it often writes sensationalist crap about popular people as front page articles designed to get people to by the paper. No argument about that. But this reference is not sensationalist. Is not about a popular person. Does not involve weird stuff like sex scandals,
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I checked back on this article the other day, and I was shocked to find that this page had been vandalised, with almost all references and citations removed, and that was only in one paragraph : the only paragraph that had not been changed back, and all of my hours of work removed.
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So, the exceptions where the use of the Daily Mail is of the "established acceptable" kind are clearly outlined. And – again – none of those apply here. Please address this objection or accept the removal of the DM reference in this article.
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As shown by AlanM1 comments above, the anon-IP is either very confused about which article he is talking about or is a troll. Either way, there is no action for us to take except to ignore him.
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