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American living abroad, and having worked as a history teacher in the UK and Australia, I have encountered real-world consequences of this bias. Four out of the five schools at which I worked, across both countries, banned use of Knowledge (XXG) chiefly due to the often-absurd levels of US-centrism of both its content and editors. Two of those even blocked access to it from their networks due to frequent usage (and revert after revert to) US spelling on pages whose subjects were entirely based in Commonwealth countries. Proper prosecution of this US-centric folly belongs elsewhere, but I would note that the one argument for the US/CA name over the worldwide name that makes some sense - that US Sega fans recognise the worldwide name less frequently than Japanese, British, Australian, Brazilian (and so on) Sega fans recognise the US/CA name - has nothing to do with the appropriateness of either, but rather is deeply rooted in US people having far less awareness of what goes on in other countries than those countries' people have of what goes on outside their own borders. It is hardly an argument to pander to this phenomenon.
2051:) searching out the copyright of this company could only trace it to 1991, though in my limited but not nonexistent understanding of US copyright law, this does not falsify the theory that it could have triggered the initial name change. However, the same source also details how the name "Genesis" - a replacement for the original idea for the US launch, "Tomahawk" - was invented not by David Rosen, but by an engineer at Atari during the brief period when Sega had approached Atari with an offer to release the Mega Drive in the US (and elsewhere) as an Atari console. Supposedly, the engineer won a steak dinner for all of his marketing nous. David Rosen's assertion that he invented the name, then, seems more likely than not to be little more than PR - remember the source for attributing the name to Rosen was a book published during the thick of the 16-bit console wars. I do not have the time to go digging to the depths required to find the attributable truth; apparently I spend that time instead railing against my country's unworldliness and ignorance. But I feel confident in suggesting that Rosen's claim should be removed from the article as unproven and contested at best.
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2141:- so much wrong with everything you’ve said, and I say that as an American who actually supports the Mega Drive naming system but accepts what is because the content matters more than the name. In any regard, I don’t mean to be rude, but let me see if I can help fill in some gaps for you:
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