276:. This comparison would immediately be followed by an objection: mass murders are criminals known for one event, Chau was a missionary and martyr to his faith. I do not see this distinction, because Chau could have been a mass murderer if he had infected the Seninelese with a disease, the more likely outcome than his fulfilling his intentions. His newsworthiness is the same as a failed mass murder killed before he could do anything; but the story was picked up in the media and romanticized. The GNG guideline specifically states that widespread coverage in reliable sources creates the presumption, but not the guarantee of notability. With regard to mass murderers, the aversion to making them famous for their act comes into play. Frankly, I see Chau in the same light; a misguided individual whose act could have been a disaster for the Sentinelese. There is much in reliable sources, including those written by anthropologists and other experts in academic journals that agree with this portrayal. There should not be a stand-alone biography on him. Perhaps there could be an article on the event entitled "Death of John Allen Chau", which was the original title of his biography. Another rename discussion would not likely lead to a consensus either.--
268:- This discussion will not be closed until an uninvolved admin declares a consensus. It has been almost a month without consensus, which would result in doing nothing, the same as keeping the article on John Allen Chau as it is. I would like to make one more case for the merge and desolation of the biography. The perpetrators of mass shootings are generally not given their own article in spite of having ample coverage in reliable sources regarding their background and motivations. Instead, their names redirect to a section on the event article entitled
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At first, I was also thinking of merging the two, as this individual really is not significant except for his death. However, there's a lot of information about this person that would not be relevant to the actual
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Shouldn't this article's name instead refer to the people who inhabit the place, instead of naming the people after the place? Naming people after the place they inhabit reeks of colonialism. In the United States, for example, it is increasingly common to refer to indigenous peoples by the names
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The fact that people do it doesn't mean it isn't offensive. The original post here is correct about proper and respectful practices, and reading the article I also felt that the name couldn't possibly the name the people had for themselves. It's both inaccurate and racist, and
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prepared, what he did, etc, as I thought he was just some madman. The information provided here is actually worth keeping, and I believe rather than a merge, it should be sent to a new article, such as something like "2018 killing of John Allen Chau."
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There's not particularly anything noteworthy about Chau, aside from his death. All the pertinent information is in this article and if there's some morsel I'm missing, it can easily be added to the description of the 2018 event.
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The only thing notable about Chau is his failed missionary journey to reach these peoples. All of the sources on his page are from articles about his death, which indicates to me that there's nothing else notable about him.
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or similar - It is the event of his death that is notable, not Chau himself. Chau's biographical information is only there to provide context for this event. Some of the background information is mostly not relevant to
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per all points noted above, in addition to the fact that Chau's article receives 25,000 hits per month. The absurd comparison above could be made to anyone from anywhere contacting any unreached people group, such as
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