3025:- in this case, the label of a vinyl record. It is also about reality - and as usual, people here are trying to make Knowledge into an alternative universe rather than an encyclopedia. So, in a nutshell, it doesn't really matter what any of you think. If you can produce a copy of this or any album where the numbering on side two is continued from side one, rather than beginning again from track one, by all means, it should be noted in the article, because that would be an accurate representation of how the record was presented to the public, as well as a reliable source. Problem solved. By arbitrarily deciding on a numbering system that is contrary to what actually exists in the real world, you are using
3741:; an explanation of what the artist intended is in the âAlbum artworkâ section). Even if there were a consensus behind that, however, artist's intent isn't entirely clear in this case, and so we'd have to use something else. My vote is still for the UK cover; they are a British band, and so the original British cover should be the main one. I'm also personally in favor of making artist's intent the main criterion for deciding what cover to put in the main infobox, and in situations where that isn't entirely clear, the safest thing to do is to use the cover from the band's home territory; they presumably had the most control there over what it looked like.
3614:) use the original American cover. In cases like that, the safest thing to do is use the cover issued in the band's home territory, where they presumably had the most control over what it looked like, and that's unless we have compelling evidence that for whatever reason, one of the covers issued elsewhere was the one the band really intended. Lastly, I wouldn't say that what appears on the band's website is completely inconsequential; official is official, and so unless we have compelling evidence that it's wrong for some reason (such as the exclusive use of the American cover on re-issues), we're more or less bound by it.
3121:: There is an issue that where a vinyl album released before the early 1980s has since been reissued on CD, it's more than likely that the reissue contains bonus tracks. You then have the situation where you have to consider how to number the bonus tracks: if you have side two of an album listed as "tracks 1 to 5", for example, the bonus track numbering suddenly jumps to 11 following 5. I'm not saying it's incorrect to label the vinyl side two as starting from track 1 again, just that the addition of bonus tracks throws another spanner in the works.
726:. I think that the content in the Deep Purple Debut Tour article can easily be explained in the context of the album production and scheduling. A large part of the Deep Purple Debut Tour article can be used as a properly referenced background section for the Shades of Deep Purple article and other content is already present in the album article. Dates and venues of that 1968 Scandinavian tour are unknown and not relevant, besides the fact that it was the first tour of Deep Purple and the first time the song of this album were played live.
3480:. My apologies, I did not help you in your debate at all. Let's see if I do better this time. As an English Deep Purple fan I would obviously like to see the English cover there, as they are an English band. However, as the US version was released first (confirmed by multiple sources on my bookshelf) I believe the US cover should be shown at the top of the page, in pride of place. The fact that the album reached #24 on the US chart and did nothing in the UK until the very many reissues years later only supports the argument. Apologies
3335:, for example, the âoriginalâ cover, which had the band's name in turquoise instead of orange (see the âArtworkâ section), isn't there at all (probably for fair use reasons â it's not hard with the more familiar cover there to âpractically convey with words aloneâ what it looks like), but the point is that the original cover isn't necessarily the main (or in this case, even the official) cover, and so the original cover shouldn't necessarily receive precedence over the main cover. For an example of a very similar principle, see
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the band and album to what was happening in
British music in that period, in particular to psychedelic and progressive rock. In my opinion, the accessibility of the article for a reader who is not necessarily an expert of Deep Purple or of the music of the 1960s is enhanced by paragraphs like this. This is especially true for debut albums where a little more background can be useful to the casual reader. What do you think about it? I, as a reader, would like my encyclopedia to be very user-friendly and accessible.
3683:), soooo... I would support having the US cover at the top because that was the version--same tracks and track order, sure, but packaging is also part of what an album is--that first existed. I don't know if nationality of the artist should be a factor, because there have been artists who find far more popularity (and notability) in a country not of their origin, but we could still have a caption at the top read "North American cover" or something.
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For instance, when an actor recently died suddenly, a discussion broke out about adding "the late" before his name in one of his movie pages. In order to judge the necessity of such a phrase, other articles of famous deceased actors could be checked, which was done. Generally, these other articles do
3606:, where the censored cover isn't used at all). Just as we don't know who manages the band's website, we don't know whose decision it was to make the original US and UK covers different or which one the band really intended, and the continued use of both covers only adds confusion to the matter. The
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British one, but I don't have any official band publications about the album, so I don't know which cover appears in official books about it.
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cover art from various items in an article should be kept to a minimum and used for visual identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item. The three covers of this article are cited in the text and their presence is justified, but this is not a display for every edition of the
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You reverted an edit for the album cover writing "The US version may well have come out first, but since they're a
British band, the original British version should take precedence." This sounds odd and new to me. Can you validate your claim with some MoS discussion or rule? To my knowledge the cover
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I strongly disagree with you. I don't think that "listing separately" has necessarily something to do with numbering. Listing means to put them in the proper order, separated in two or more sides. I think that, just like on a CD, the content of an LP should have a contiguous numbering, just separated
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That's sometimes the nature of GAs, I've certainly said "but I didn't write that bit" in response to review comments myself! Don't worry, IMHO the hardest part to solve is unverifiable and / or badly sourced content, and there's little of that here (plus it helps I've read up on the band's background
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I'm not sure about this myself and asked for peer review about it, but nobody answered. I think that the musical trends developing in the UK at the time were important for the musicians of Deep Purple and critics remarked how this album is a mix of different genres in vogue in 1968. I tried to relate
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that a track listing should, at first glance, tell the reader how many songs there are in an album in the sequence chosen by the artist. This is the info that I want to give to the reader with the track listing template and the fact that the original vinyl was numbered from 1 on each side is trivial
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I'm clearly in the minority here, but I don't see the logic in going to the trouble of splitting the album into two halves, per the vinyl and cassette, and then using the numbering system from the CD. On a vinyl album, we all know you never flip the thing over, look at side two and see #5, 6, 7 etc,
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Project Albums manual of style. Every example there is the product of ample debate. When there is a disc one/disc two distinction the sequence of numbers does not start again on every side of the LP, but is continuous. I think that what has been decided on the MOS is the correct way to format
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Thompson and Simper, Clarke was too old-fashioned, bound to rock & roll style and not happy to experiment. There is no mention of Blackmore, but instead his dismissal appears to be a common decision. The CD booklet says that it was Mick Angus, one of the vocalists at the auditions,
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Knowledge's "rules" are descriptive, not prescriptive. If the documentation doesn't reflect consensus, it's the documentation that's incorrect (even if it was correct at one time).â Thus, although that doesn't make much sense to me (there would be less confusion if the ârulesâ were
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First of all, this debate is not about content but about style. I don't think that anybody here considers one way of numbering or the other a fundamental part of an article. This is about the information that we want to convey with a track listing. So it is important to know what editors think on
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Robinson is a known expert on the band and thorough researcher, and I assume he wrote the CD liner notes, so if you used them, this is very likely to be all factually correct. Some of the wording is a little confusing with some jargon, and I'll list those issues in more depth soon. More later....
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I've had an original UK Parlophone LP for about 25 years and know the album and band's history inside out. No obvious problems with referencing or layout that leap out, bar one or two citations containing interviews being perhaps worth discussing, so this should be quick to pass. The DPAS' Simon
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For what it's worth, I wrote that album style guide and intended it to mean that the track listing numbers go from 1 to whatever, irrespective of side or disc. As pointed out above, there are lots of featured articles using this format. Vinyl records only so happened to need to be split up into
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That's a misinterpretation of the style guide, IMO, that the line about "separately" (rather than "contiguously", as
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The second side of nearly every vinyl album released to date begins with track one; the track count does not continue from side one. The example at the project page is just plain dead wrong and needs to be changed. In the meantime, stop edit warring, and stop harassing me over this issue.
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uses the original album cover even though that cover is no longer used and hasn't been since the first pressing, so NOT the 'common use' cover. If we use the argument that the commonly used cover should be the one on the top of the page then that may require a review and a guideline on
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so maybe it's Deep Purple who infringed copyright, but there is no record of anybody suing them for plagiarism. The name of Rimsky-Korsakov can stay in the article, but I'm not so sure about citing him as an author of the track, because there is no official track listing with his name.
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uses the UK cover taken from a CD of 2011. lists editions with both covers, which apparently had the same rate of appearance during the years. But what I really need to know is if the principle that the first published cover goes on top of the infobox has general validity or not. The
887:. If you have confirmation of his involvement his name should be added in the reference section. Feel free to directly correct or suggest any changes in wording and syntax, to comply with the British English use stated at the top of the article. I look forward to reading you review.
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As it stands, there's a bit of work to do, mostly in the prose and ensuring that everything confirms to a neutral point of view, plus there are a few issues with non-free rationales and the caption on the audio. All of this should be easily fixable, however, so I'll put the review
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the US cover is not only the first published, but also the the best known one. The album sold very well in the US and was ignored in the UK. It is also in the inset of the
Remasterd Edition cover by the British EMI and for all these reasons it should be considered the main cover.
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but that's what's implied by this contiguous numbering system. If it's only going to be paying lip service to the side one / side two concept, then don't bother, and just have a straight list as on a CD. It's easy to mention in the text or a note how the LP was originally split.
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British version sold very poorly initially, it probably was, at least to the band, the main version, and we should respect that here. Sure enough, on the US iTunes, the reissue cover with the British cover in the insert is used, and as I pointed out above, the
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article specifies only that the cover must be the original one, but our opinion on the matter diverges on the meaning of "original". Before starting an edit war, I would like to have some more opinions on the matter. Below you can find our exchange of opinions copied from
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can claim to be an expert on a topic. So I'm afraid I think this one will have to go. People will be looking at this section and trusting the opinions to be a good reflection of what contemporary critics think about it. Some (including me) think the album is okay but
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clearly demonstrated with many examples, the temporal criterion which has the cover of the first edition exposed on top of the infobox to identify the album is often disregarded. The geographic criterion that Esszet proposes is also rarely applied (see for example
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halves but it's not like an album originally released on LP is somehow two separate works anymore than a long book split up into two codices is two separate books (not that oftentimes, the page numbers will continue from the first volume in instances such as this). â
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I have no interest in entering in an edit war, but I formatted the track listing following the indications of the MOS in dozens of articles without any complain and I cannot see how now what I did is wrong. I hoped to have explained my reasons quite clearly, but for
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Woodman as I think that's what name he went under when he auditioned for Purple, as well as being his real name, so its the most appropriate in this context. Here are a few other related sources that refer to him as Woodman :
3029:, which some people here tend to frown upon. As far as the problem of younger people not understanding the numbering: even today's young people are capable of working out the logic behind something with two different "sides" being numbered differently.
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There is no vandalism or violation of copyright here. This is not a record or a CD, but an article about an album! "Prelude/Happiness" is copyrighted by HEC Music as a composition of Deep Purple and this statement is printed on every edition of the
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of the first edition is what should be on top of the infobox, because it is the "original cover". Deep Purple were a British band signed to an American label which released the album way before EMI, so Tetragrammaton cover should be on top.
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1136:"For the bass guitar slot, Lord signed up his friend Nick Simper, whose fame at the time came from his membership" - this is awkward phrasing. We already know Nick Simper is a bassist - how about "Lord suggested that Simper join as bassist"?
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Thank you for your review. I will start working on the issues that you raised as soon as possible. Actually, most of your remarks are about sentences that I inherited when I took over the article. I should have re-written it from scratch!
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I just published the first revision of the article following your suggestions. There are a few points that need discussion in the Background and Touring sections. I'm waiting for your input after a second check of the article. Thanks.
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to be aware of new modern conveniences like CDs and iPods and to have got used to seeing track listings in that manner. Bear in mind that a typical reader for this sort of article might nowadays well be somebody who wasn't even
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Whoever keeps removing Rimsky-Korsakov from article, I strongly warn you that these actions may be deemed as vandalism. The tune of Prelude/Happiness is from Scheherazade, which makes Rimsky-Korsakov one of the song's authors.
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album. We cannot know what the band thinks about this matter or who manages their website so what is published there is inconsequential for this debate, which is about a common criterion for every cover display in an infobox.
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template to display both covers. Our dilemma is which cover should go on top of the infobox? Which one should be considered the main cover, as they are both original? I think that it should be the first published US cover and
1799:"band members were clothed in hip styles and fashions at the famous Mr. Fish Emporium, where they did the obligatory photo-shoot" - "hip styles and fashions" and "famous" are POV, and since when was a photo-shoot "obligatory"?
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versions of the CD reissue use the US cover in the insert; go to amazon.co.uk and search âShades of Deep Purpleâ, and you'll see that others, including the first one that comes up, use the British cover. In any case, the
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There's a trivial note at the Scherezade article that the first two or so minutes or "Prelude:Happiness" is based on the first movement of Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherezade. That note really belongs here, and not there.
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I don't believe the audio sample of "Hush" has a good rationale for non-free use. The accompanying text should explain explicitly why the information contained in the audio cannot practically be represented as
3775:, thank you for your contributions to the discussion. It appears quite clearly that such matter was never discussed before and there is no consensus for the use of the non-free covers in an album infobox. As
1827:"and raced up the Billboard Pop Chart, ultimately peaking at No. 24" - words to watch, just say "and reached number 24 in the Billboard charts". If it really raced up the charts, it would have hit number one
1297:"Clarke was unhappy with the direction the band was heading" - according to interviews I've read (sorry, can't remember where) it was because he couldn't get on with Blackmore (not too hard to believe, that)
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The true guiding principle for what cover to display in the main inbox appears to be artist's intent (or at least acquiescence); that would be why the original covers that are no longer in use are used on
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Thank you for picking up so promptly this review. I could find no name associated with the writing of the CD booklets of the first three DP albums, although Simon Robinson wrote and signed the booklet for
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in two sides. This kind of numbering is also more practical for use in the Personnel section, where you can list the tracks a musician played in using numbers. Just as I said, if you think the example on
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I'm not sure about at a lot of this. Yes, it's cited to reliable sources, but it reads more about what influences were generally around in early 1968, rather than anything specific to do with Deep Purple.
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which credits Simon Robinson with writing the sleeve notes. He's been writing DP reissue sleeve notes since the late 1970s. Have to get back to "real" work now, but I'll start listing issues later today.
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not use this sort of reference, and thus the newest article did not. While not a strict OSE reasoning, the overarching concept remains, that of precedent and consistency throughout the Knowledge project.
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and I think that his opinion should be considered valid. He has no connection to the band and the network where his contribution was published is controlled by a team of staff editors who work with the
1600:"This was the debut tour for the band and the first time the new songs were played live," - we already know this from what's written, and I don't understand what the second part of this sentence means
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Incidentally, regarding "stop edit warring", it takes more than one to edit war, and if "the example at the project page is just plain dead wrong and needs to be changed", then start a discussion on
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If the UK cover is now in common use then that does change the argument for me somewhat, although as you have used the word 'probably' I still vote for the first-release cover first. A page like
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Just to be sure, both covers under discussion are feature din the article now, right? Anyone know which cover i used when the album is represented in official books and websites about the band?
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I'm not so sure about that. This section is truly about touring. I added some text about the songs performed by the Mk II line-up at the bottom. Do you think it needs a separate sub-section?
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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I was invited here to comment and this is my opinion from skimming through the discussion and the article... I dont think how other articles and their use of the infobox is relevant (
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1080:"the members would get on and off the band" - how do you get "on and off a band"? I'd go for something like "the group would contain a revolving cast of non-permanent members"
1670:"they quickly recorded the material they had intensively rehearsed and which made up their live set" - overcomplicated, suggested "they recorded the recently gigged material"
1628:"the budget provided by HEC and used for promotion and equipment was nearly spent" - convolutive, just say "HEC had nearly spent all their budget for promotion and equipment"
1269:"that summoned dozens of aspiring vocalists to audition for the new band" - this is probably redundant, the rest of the preceding sentence clarifies what we need to know here
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prescriptive), we don't have to rigidly adhere to the template documentation in deciding what cover to put in the main infobox. Of course, it isn't entirely clear if there
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more likely. The turmoil belongs to the British music scene, coming up with new bands, genres and milestone albums in such a short time span. I changed the words accordingly
1368:"which had earlier been covered by Cream and The Maze, the band Evans and Paice came from" - you don't need the last part of this sentence, we already know who The Maze are
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I concur with the decisions taken. It's hard to keep track of all the discussions going on on Knowledge and I was not aware of this one. I removed all the references to
2907:, none of us should be concerned with music industry practices/tradition/idiosyncrasies, but with what makes the most sense to the common reader/general audience, who
1614:"the cable containing Tetragrammaton's decision to sign them had arrived" - what does "cable" mean? Suggest "Tetragrammaton had confirmed they wished to sign the band"
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Albums originally released primarily on vinyl or cassette should similarly list the tracks of each side separately under sub-headings named "Side one" and "Side two".
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where the no-longer available, but original, cover takes precedence. Are you both sure you don't want to use a GIF that alternates both? I can make one if you like.
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1684:"For this reason the songs had to be arranged and rehearsed in advance" - we've already been told the songs were rehearsed several times, this needs rewording
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uses the British cover as well. On a completely unrelated note, the album was also reissued with a third cover in the UK in the 70's or 80's (see
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1502:"recorded singles and sold them over to the United States" - confusing, how about "recorded singles for release in the United States"
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804:Templates
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3869:Mudwater
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