Talk:Shirley Temple/Archive 2

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her parents and lawyer's mismanagement. Shirley did not report her father even though it was court ordered that a trust be maintained for her, but it was not legally maintained. She said she would drop the issue of the money and would wait until her parents passed. That was a reprehensible thing to do to their child for all she contributed to the family's wealth over the years. I enjoyed the book, it spoke reams of info about all the people she worked for, worked with and the famous people she knew. About after being married she wanted privacy. Nothing seemed to be left out. Recommended reading if you are a fan of her work.

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later described the post as "a lot of parties for one who doesn't like parties." Her tenure, however, was short-lived, as Ford was defeated in the November election. Even then Shirley was in demand: She was tapped to arrange the details of President Jimmy Carter's inauguration and inaugural ball. "I remember telling President Carter on his first night, when I was escorting people around, that I was interested in continuing public service and that politics didn't matter," she said. It wasn't up to her, though, and she joined her fellow Republican staffers on the unemployment line.

1211:"Shirley Temple". As for the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject, pray tell, if you were to meet the lady today, would you refer to her as Shirley Temple? Would you introduce her to your friends as "Shirley Temple"? Of course, not. I maintain that the name that is most frequently used to refer to Shirley Temple Black is: "Shirley Temple Black", a name that is not in contention with "Shirley Temple", not an exception to "Shirley Temple", but indeed subsumes, succeeds, and supercedes "Shirley Temple". – 1468: 1473: 31: 1800:. In a case like this where IMO it's clear the family does not mean a previous Monday and definitely not a next Monday, there is no doubt that Monday implies 10th February and it is not OR. Or in other words, the only question is whether or not it's possible the family meant some previous Monday, converting the Monday which just passed to 10th is a clear cut example of a routine calculation which is not OR. 1482:. When we see the incredibly famous name, Shirley temple, we expect the article to be at that name. Even though users typing the famous name will land at the article on the intended subject through the redirect, some will not stay there long enough to realize it is the same person since we all know that there are many famous names that are also parts of the names of other people we may not know, à la 459:– There are numerous advantages to moving this article to the person's preferred name: 1) This is how she has been known for the majority of her life; 2) she has notable accomplishments after her marriage that mean she isn't exclusively known as "Shirley Temple"; 3) this title incorporates her maiden name, reducing confusion for people who only know her by that name; 4) in the spirit of 184:

the article. The references I used are listed and available in public libraries so no problem there for someone who wants to take over and needs the books. I might drop by now and then if I have the chance and if you have a question about something just leave a note here. I loved working on the article but I won't have much time in the future for it. Good luck!

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after). When pointing out that there actually was a consensus to not do the move, the nominator would simply point to the closure statement of "no consensus", resulting in some disagreements by various editors on whether there was a consensus or not, whether there should be a speedy close or not, etc. The immediate renomination is irksome, as clearly though

1317:- That would be rather unnecessary if you ask me. Go ask anyone about Shirley and the first that pops into their head would be her childhood days. Even the Britannica and The New Book of Knowledge used her maiden name in their respective articles about Temple, but noted that she went by the name of Shirley Temple Black during her later political career. 2392: 2712:, presumably writing a piece on Shirley, and during the course of the interview made mention of the rumor in what seems to be a joking fashion. So saying that he was "dispatched" to "investigate" is really rather misleading and should be rephrased. Does anyone have access to Temple's full autobiography to fill out the facts on this a little? — 1425:

empower her later achievements, that shows us that millions of people knew who she was— that she was that dimpled, curly-headed, mega-talented little girl all grown up! Her adult life was filled with service to others, helping others. Nobody can possibly believe that "Shirley Temple Black" subtracts anything at all from "Shirley Temple". –

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In summary, the two main questions are whether we accept the family definitely meant the Monday which just passed (if we do, then 10th February comes automatically without OR); and also whether the sourcing is sufficiently clear and strong enough on the date of death (which is always a concern at the

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government posts, was due in no small part to both name and facial recognition that stemmed from her child-star fame. Nobody can nor would dispute these facts nor the continuing tremendous impact her early films had on later generations. It is precisely that name/facial recognition, which helped to

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consideration, there is no consideration for the US being called "United States" when it was a baby and "United States of America" when it grew up, and here we don't have other names the subject can go by, only two. And the one she goes by is the one that would be familiar to all for the very reason

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You seem to say that shorter is more precise, not always. How do you know that the child-star name is more widely used, and what it is used for? There are several ways to title the US article. "United States" was probably chosen as the most widely used globally. That analogy is apples and oranges

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I just finished reading the CHILD STAR an autobiography by Shirley Temple. It was very complete and interesting reading. The only thing I was wondering was did her parents die and if so when. The story written in 1988 ends there obviously. She was literally left without barely any money because of

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I've done a lot of work on this article but I'm into a new job and I won't be able to spend much time on it after Thanksgiving. Anyone want to take over? I was hoping to send it to FA but some sections need to be puffed up a bit before it goes there. Just step in if you want to take over, I don't own

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It is of my opinion that the infobox as is is far too unweildy. While it is a marked improvement from the previous two-infobox setup (person and officeholder), having the thing stretch down well into the biography section can also be a turn-off for prospective readers. Even the collapsed introbox on

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Thanks for the explanation! I've only contributed to wiki pages a few times but I'm a little obsessive about information being correct and current, so when I noticed there was no date, I figured I'd change it since I knew the date and time from a reliable source... a simple fix I figured....I had no

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thus are available to be rehashed with the exact same reasoning immediately. Also, a later move request also would cite a no consensus closure as a reason to rehash the exact same reasoning at a later (not immmediately later) date. I've seen that happen (both immediately after closure, and some time

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and a large portion of the latter, maybe most, just mention her married name in passing for completeness while referring to her by her maiden name predominantly, just as we do when we provide her full name in the article, while titling it by the name she is known by to the world. Restricting results

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Unfortunately, there's not a lot to write about Temple and Robinson. They worked four films together, had some nice things to say about each other, and that's basically it. I'll find time to work what I have into the article but please don't expect more than a brief paragraph of a half dozen lines

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Shouldn't there be something in this article about her political career, as she both ran for elective office and served as a U.S. ambassador to 2 nations as a Republican; one in Europe, one in Africa? I believe she also served in other political capacities, but there is no mention in the article of

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Reading through this article, something struck me as off about the idea that "that the Vatican dispatched Father Silvio Massante to investigate whether she was indeed a child." Why would "The Vatican" (an ambiguous term in itself, by the way) be interested in investigating rumors related to Shirley

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On the page it says that Shirley Temple was a "representative to the United Nations" but not ambassador, and she is not listed on the State Department's list of Ambassadors. Does anyone know what is the difference between a "representative" and ambassador? I can't seem to find an answer anywhere. I

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I guess in a pinch you could argue for imprecision (in that if someone dies at 12:30am 11th February people may say they died on Monday or 10th February since they're still thinking of it as the same day, even if it's past midnight and so the death actually happened on the next day), but again that

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If what you say is indeed true, there would be no need for sadness. This article really is not able to convey the immeasurable impact this lady had during the Great Depression. Her films, her unmatched talent gave people a sense of hope, perhaps even a vision of a light at the end of the tunnel.

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In actual fact, her child-star name is familiar to millions and millions of readers. Her adult name probably to thousands only, with millions and millions wondering if Shirley Temple Black might be related to the child-star Shirley Temple! What happened to her by the way? This is the reality of the

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has examples where the article title is included in a longer name, e.g. "Bill Clinton (not William Jefferson Clinton)", "H. H. Asquith (not Herbert Henry Asquith)", "Rhode Island (not State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations)". There are many other obvious examples such as Barack Obama (not

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Shirley Temple did a cameo as an extra in the 1963 movie Bye Bye Birdie about ten minutes into the film. She played an office worker. She did not have any lines. She was 35 years old at the time. The primary actress in the scene was Janet Leigh as Rosie. The cameo scene can be seen at the 09:43 to

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I tried to change the source of the death to a reuters article which gave the exact date and time but someone changed it to a bbc article that doesn't mention time or date....just says Monday. Of course we all know it meant feb 10 but would not a more precise citation be better? Confused as to why

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I cited in 2009. This would turn the "Shirley Temple" title into a redirect to the new name, so there is no search engine problem as discussed in 2009. Shirley Temple Black is the lady's name, and she has had a notable impact while going by that name. To move this page is the right thing to do.

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I was looking for things about her work and friendship with her favorite dance partner, Bill 'Bojangles' Robinson, and there is nothing here. A quick glance reveals that instead there is excessive unimportant detail such as her weight at birth. This article first requires major editing to remove

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I just found that Shirley's mother died 1977 and her father died 1980. So that answers my question that I asked above. She did write the book after both her parents had passed away. I was wondering because it could have caused some problems between them with the info that was detailed about her

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Then in July 1976, President Ford made Shirley the first female Chief of Protocol at the White House. During her swearing-in, she said humbly, "I'm pleased to be the first woman in 200 years to hold this job." Shirley carried the rank of Assistant Secretary of State, commanding a staff of 40. She

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Readers should not have to take the extra step of clicking a show link to see what they expect to read "at a glance". Infoboxes are placed in articles specifically to show at a glance information for readers that will either be all the info they need, or will make them want to read more. No one

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BTW, I think this vandal was part of the problem. While some editors were clearly acting in good faith (like Anupmehra), I suspected before my posts above that the IP hopper who kept changing it to 11th February early on was not (particularly since their edits continually changed the article back

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Oh yes, let's be just like the other reference works! Is Britannica always right? I have a very old set of BoK in my library. I love them, but they're not always correct either. Yes, let's continue to do the wrong thing because others do it wrong. The subject's child-star name is familiar to

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the number of readers who would find the title familiar. Plus, those who may only know her as "Shirley Temple" (and there may be quite a few like that) might even learn a thing or two about their beloved child star. To illustrate, one might say that "Shirley Temple" is familiar to "millions and

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I don't really see the difference between middle names and maiden names. It just comes down to what is used most commonly (which in this case is simply "Shirley Temple"), and I am not aware of any exceptions for harmlessly adding to the common name. I don't see the big deal anyway, since "Shirley

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A lot of copyvios here, some lifted word for word from the sources. I have most of the sources at hand either from my bookshelf or from the public library and will do my best to either delete the copyvio material or paraphrase it. Unsourced material can be deleted at once by anyone. Check my edit

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section. It stated that in 1935 at six years old, Temple was the youngest to win an award. She held this honor until Tatum O'Neal won an award at 10 years old. If Temple was 6, how was it she lost this "youngest to win" honor to a 10-year-old O'Neal? (One reason I ask is that an anon. IP just

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Since she is notable primarily for her work as a child movie star and secondarily for her work as a diplomat, shouldn't the info box have a photograph depicting her at one of those two times in her life, rather than as a young adult (after the peak of her movie career but before the start of her

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It's a bit long, I'll give you that; however, the final three "in office" sections can be eliminated as they are redundantly shown at the bottom of the page. Their erasure would bring the bottom of the box nearly out of the first section for most readers. I have been known to shorten very long

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I came across your citation independently and added it backed. I later noticed you added it and was going to use the citations details you added to fill in (as I just included a bare citation) but someone beat me to adding the details (probably independentally). I'm not sure if your citation was

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The United States Postal Service will honor Shirley Temple, April 18, 2016, with issuance of the 20th stamp in the Legends of Hollywood commemorative series. The first-day ceremony will occur in Los Angeles, Calif., at the Geffen Playhouse at 10886 Le Conte Ave. The self-adhesive stamp:

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Your question sounds like a non sequitur to me. As for your declaration, is there some policy or guideline that you can cite to support it? If so, then please cite; if not, then please tell me: Who made up that rule? I learn things from Knowledge (XXG) article titles almost everyday. For

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There is no transition portrayed between her show business career and her political one. The debunking of the blacklisting claim should be secondary to the narrative of what happened before here political career started. It should at least be made clear what her first political step was.

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In the first entry of the notes section it says ST's bday was changed to prolong her "babyhood". It doesn't matter how you change someone's bday or birth cert....it's not going to prolong babyhood. Perhaps it would be better to say that it prolonged her desirability as child actor?

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What appears at the top of the page should be a title that is "most familiar" to the readers. "Shirley Temple" is a very familiar name. "Shirley Temple Black" is also a familiar name, and both titles are notable. It is my contention that both names together would be familiar to

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names. Both names are familiar and notable. There are readers who know her most familiarly as "Shirley Temple". There are readers who know her also familiarly by "Shirley Temple Black". To exclude either set of readers is against the COMMONNAME policy. The new name will cover

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Unfortunately the mess and confusion this editor created got mixed up with the various good faith edits to what was already a high edit count article likely causing further confusion. (I think people independentally added a death section a few times after it was removed by this

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This page seems awfully bland and devoid of any controversial facts. For her personal life outside of her early childhood, as there is in other celebrities' pages. She was married first at a young age and it would be nice to put some more information in about her children.

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Of course it's my opinion! It's your opinion as well! That's why we have these debates. Are you really saying that people who know her as Shirley Temple Black (which is, of course, a minority) won't recognise Shirley Temple, but those who know here as Shirley Temple

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The arguments made by editor Fuhghettaboutit are, in my opinion, non sequitur. Yes, I know, the point is moot. Forgive these encyclopedias and other references, for we all know deep down that this unmatched person is, and always will be, Shirley Temple Black.

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I want to save this interesting sourced material that indicates Shirley Temple Black wanted to continue working for President Carter, but he fired her anyway, as many Presidents do to install their political friends and donors in presidential appointment jobs:

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While someone could have done this for you, as I mentioned the confusion due to the vandal combined with the error may have made it even less obvious what you were trying to do if someone missed your edit summary, particularly since this is a high edit rate

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those who know her as Shirley Temple Black. Keeping this article as just "Shirley Temple" only covers those who know her by that name. Renaming this article to "Shirley Temple Black" will cover all the people who know her by either or both of those names.

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changed the "six" to "twelve", which doesn't jive with the birthdate in 1928 if she won the award in 1935.) Since the awards were different, it might be wrong or at least confusing to imply that Temple lost anything in 1974 (when O'Neal won an Oscar).

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I already enumerated the reasons for an exception. This is a minor deviation from the letter and still easily within the spirit of the policy. COMMONNAME cannot possibly be written to cover every possible contingency. This is one of those cases where

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says to use "the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." In this case it that is "Shirley Temple". No exceptions for harmless additions to the common name; no exceptions for educating the reader.

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Note however while your edits were made in good faith and the citation was a useful addition to the article, your removal of the BBC citation was problematic because it was used elsewhere but you only replace its usage in one location. If you look

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millions" of readers, while "Ms. Black" is familiar to maybe a few "millions". Then, to me, it follows that by naming the article "Shirley Temple Black", the "combined" title would be familiar to "millions and millions and millions" of readers. –

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features a painting of Temple as she appeared in Curly Top, the 1935 film; artwork is by Tim O’Brien; design by Ethel Kessler; will be issued on a sheet of 20 along with a black and white 1933 publicity photo of Temple on the sheet.

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that they were and so wrote my comment above accordingly. However they continued to add nonsense including stuff like the death being in 2015 or February 9th before the article was semi protected so it's became blatantly clearly they are a

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The only complexity could be timezones, but there's no way that would justify 11th considering she died in the US and the BBC would be using UTC, not Hawaiian time. And in any case, timezone issues apply whether they said 'Monday' or '10th

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I have to agree with the BBC source that was provided by someone saying Monday/10 Feb, I don't understand why this so contentious. I particularly don't understand why IPs keep changing it to 11 and making it sound like she is still alive.

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early stage). Regardless of how you you feel about either question, there's no evidence for a date besides 10th February at the moment so the question is whether to include it or not. There's no justification I've seen for 11th February.

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Could the Introduction be in simple chronological sequence please? In the real world, 1945 comes before 1958. Since this is locked from public editing, one of the high lords of wikipedia has to fix this. Please do fix it. Thanks.

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That's a bit hyperbolic, don't you think? It's not like "Shirley Temple" isn't right there in the title, I'm just proposing we add a word to it. Besides, I think you'll find that more recent sources largely use her current name.

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How sad that you think an encyclopedia should have controversial facts. Sometimes a person is just phenomenally talented and tries to lead a useful life. Sorry that doesn't fit into your scandel-focused view of the world.

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per the archived discussion. She was a superstar before she ever was married (indeed before adolescence); using her married name would be presentism, if she still had a political career. Use the name by which she is known.

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And the name "Shirley Temple" will be right there, along with her surname, "Black". This will cover all the readers of this article whether they know her by "Shirley Temple", "Shirley Temple Black", or by both names.

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Stop deleting reliably sourced material about Temple's German, Dutch, and English ancestry and her brothers John Stanley and George Francis, Jr. This is not controversial material. Other BLPs include such info, see FA

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iboxes by collapsing a part or parts of the info, but never the entire ibox. Would you agree to collapsing the "Notable work"/"Television" sections and either eliminating or collapsing the "in office" sections?

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the readers who come to read this article, whether they know her by "Shirley Temple" and/or by "Shirley Temple Black". I'm no mind reader, so I am not privy to whether there are people in this world who know her

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I'm certainly not saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion. What I'm saying is that it is my opinion that while this article is titled simply "Shirley Temple", then it excludes those readers who are

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millions and millions of readers. Add "Black" to her child-star name, as she did many years ago, and the name is familiar to millions and millions and millions of readers. So the "familiar" clause in the

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she is now Shirley Temple Black. She is far, far better known as a child actress than for anything she has done since, however worthy that may have been. Say that doesn't matter and you utterly invalidate

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Categories should be done on one person, one set of categories. We should put a person in all the categories that apply to them, and redirects from an alternate name for the same person should not be in

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someone would change it to be a less precise citation. A few weeks/months/years from now it may not be so easy to know which Monday was meant without having to look at the article date and a calendar.

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templates behave in a less than expected manner. Perhaps the bare minimum information would be acceptable to right the wrong of the lengthy ibox in the article? For example, as I've recently edited.

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to 2005 to 2011 changes the disparity not at all (14,000 to 620). The idea that because the longer title includes her maiden name so it covers both is false. We recognize names by what they include and

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There's just no way to measure that or even describe it with accuracy. It's even true that the notable (albeit mostly behind-the-scenes) impact she made later as Ms. Black, while serving in various

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No irony involved if one reads my comments in the above discussion. It was just an opinion, Fuhghettaboutit, my own little humble opinion regarding the outcome of the move request. Best to you!

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I think it may have been a mistake on my part, at least one good faith edit may have got reverted along with an incompetently formatted edit, but I am not familiar with the details of reverting.

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In this case there is no difference between middle name and maiden or nee name. Women often take their nee as their middle name when they marry. What are used "most commonly" in this case are

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maintains the status quo, a close rationale of "no consensus" neatly conveys that the action is not to be taken, rather than directly addressing the underlying subject matter of discussion.--

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name for the pump is already the title of the article. So what did I learn? I learned that not all article titles reflect the truth, whether or not we personally believe them to be true. –

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names are notable and both names are familiar, so both names must, in accord with policy, be incorporated into the title of this article. The title "Shirley Temple Black" fills this bill. –

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to his poet lovers, whereas "Hussein" is not a familiar part of president Obama's name. "Black" is a notable and familiar part of this subject's name, and since the new page name will

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names. If this article is kept as merely "Shirley Temple", that only covers the readers who are familiar with that name. Renaming this article to "Shirley Temple Black" will cover

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should have to take the extra step of finding and clicking a link to glance at that information. Please cite a discussion that shows a consensus for this collapsing of infoboxes.

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Perhaps we should reduce it to possibly three columns? It's a bit unsightly in its current state. I'd do it myself, but I'd rather reach a general consensus, than act alone, here.

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I see this article was first updated with her death at 10:27 UTC, which I believe is 02:27 California time, which suggests she probably died a few hours earlier the day before.

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Thank you, Chris G! And it wasn't much of a leap from what you taught me to move the other discussion (2) to Archive 2, also. So everything appears to be copacetic.

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We really need a Shirley Temple navbox created and placed at the bottom of this page and on all other pages for each of her movies. Anyone want to get started on that?

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I must be missing something. Where did all the discussions go? What did Cluebot do with them? There doesn't seem to be anything in the Archive box that helps.

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referring to Shirley Temple in the present tense, removed the entire death section while keeping the date of death in and other clearly unwelcome stuff). But I

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I think the reason RMs closes are often couched in this way for two reasons. Both on Knowledge (XXG) and off, it's normally much easier to judge that consensus

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When I joined the consensus in 2009 not to move this page, I also resolved to wait and see if another editor would request the same move. To title this page

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situation. However worthy her subsequent achievements, they will never, ever come close to the fame she achieved as a child. Sad maybe, but still true. --

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removed intentionally, there were intervening edits by someone who appears to be a vandal which may have caused confusion over what you were trying to do.

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And that is precisely where you appear to miss all that I've said. Renaming this page is not meant to be viewed as an "exception". The new title will

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I don't think the guidelines linked above agree with your statement that "redirects from an alternate name for the same person should not be in any ".

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money not being saved for her. Literally after "expenses" they said there was barely nothing left. Read the book if you are interested. D. Morgan

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Ask most people what she was called and they would say "Shirley Temple", not "Shirley Temple Black". Simple. Why do you think an exception to

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I don't think any of those trump the fact that she is commonly known to most people as Shirley Temple. I doubt whether most people would even

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The problem is that subsequent move request are sometimes opened immediately with the rationale that the last discussion closed as

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should be made for this one person? Or do you simply not agree with the policy? Everyone knows it's her common name. I'm sure even

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I am confused. I thought it was common knowledge that Shirley's parents spent all of those earnings mentioned in the article?

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Did she ever give any retrospectives on her experiences as a child performer? Did she feel traumatized by it? OK with it?

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No, I think 4 columns was far more compact and aesthetic and it should be returned to 4-columns. Currently it's three.

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When she became an adult, she had assumed that at least $ 3m was in an account held for her, yet a pittance remained?

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The term is "delegate," and it is in her NY Times obituary. I will fix it in the article.

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Is that correct that she was never in Congress? I thought she did get in at one point.

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I don't believe I did. But what about the many caveats I mentioned in my nomination?

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