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There's a buddhist handgesture that looks similar in principle. The right hand's ringfinger touches the tip of the thumb (forming a circle), with middle- and indexfinger held together and straight and the pinky also straight. The hand is hold at shoulder level. If my memory serves right, it should be
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the shocker? Do women like it? I see the gesture a lot, but in reality I think it's kind of impractical (sexually speaking). You can't ask your partner if she wants the shocker...that's the whole point! it's the SHOCKer. I tried it on my girlfriend once and she FREAKED (and I don't mean in a good
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The form with the blanks is a generalized form that describes almost all the variations of this saying. There are some who insist on putting in a less generalized, more specific form there which is less descriptive of the actual phenomenon. I would not be opposed to having 1-5 examples, e.g. "Two in
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LOL, your g/f actually freaked out! Usually, people are too timid to get mad in bed. Maybe there was just too much shock factor in your shocker. I've been using it for years now, and just recently stumbled on this site. The ring finger has to be curled back to ovoid the perenium (taint). As long as
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I believe the shocker was invented my www.collegehumor.com, but I can't find proof. True, there's a million guys out there claiming it was their idea. I'm in canada, and alot of people I know do know what the shocker is, so it's pop culture reference is spreading. We do need to find it's history
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Okay, I have added one example, which I feel is the most widely used one and probably about the only one from the list actually in wide usage. Googling "Two in the pink, one in the stink" yields 827 pages. The only other one I've heard in major usage, "Two in the coo, one in the poo" only yields 5
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Yes, I saw the conversation, and was not moved by the arguments contained therein. I'll see if I can revert it. One things that's so infuriating about wikipedia is that the decisions seem to be made the the loudest, bullyingest, losers, with more time than I have to change things around to meet
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Quick summary: In 2000, 34 students were told all yearbook photos in which they appeared doing the shocker would be retaken-- not just without them doing the shocker, but without the offending students appearing whatsoever... and at their expense. They'd also have to do community service, and
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The way I learned this, in the mid-90s, was with the thumb extended. THAT was the shocker. More of an electric shock than a shock of surprise. College Humor sort of pioneered the thumbless shocker (in my awareness), but it was always slightly annoying to my "real" shocker. No one else has this
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Is the shocker a common gesture outside of the US? I have a non-American friend who displays the gesture proudly in photographs, which is quite dissonant with her other behavior and makes me wonder if she understands the meaning. Are there different meanings in other parts of the world?
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I am not the one who enterd two in the pink one in the stink. Though there is no reason for this censorship. non-censorship is what the internet is about. These slang terms are used throughtout highschool and colleges all over, I should know, I live in one.
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I've done some searching on the origins(as that's why I came to this article in the first place). I couldn't find anything verifiable. I suppose It will never be known, like who first uddered "pardon my french" or who first called the baseball
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So my new girlfriend (lucky me, huh!) mentioned that there were variations on this theme for every hand configuration. I think this would be a decent addition to this page. I believe the original picture with the titles is on collegehumor.com:
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I'm 34 yrs old and we were throwing the shocker in college back in 1993. I still have a picture with a couple of buddies from 1994 as evidence. So it must have been around earlier than that. I'd love to see some research..... Domn8r59
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Should this nonsense really be the main direct for shocker? Wouldn't the Spider-Man villain and the horror movie be more relevant? I've never heard or seen this gesture before. There's not even a disambiguation page at the top.
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