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David McAtee was killed around midnight EST, but his body wasn't removed from the street until over 12 hours later (sometime in the early afternoon). There is photo documentation on Twitter of police standing on duty around his body in daylight while a crowd is gathered around on the opposite side of the street. May this information be sourced per Knowledge guidelines & added to the article? Thank you in advance!
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This video appears to show Mr. McAtee firing a gun outside of his business door as officers, who are using pepper balls to clear the Dino's (Food Mart) lot, were approaching his business. This video does not provide all the answers. But we are releasing it to provide transparency. It does not answer
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Hello. I'm not a regular contributor to Knowledge so apologies in advance if my formatting is off, but I wanted to ask if a piece of additional information would be relevant for this page & fit Knowledge's standards. This shooting has been on my mind for the past couple weeks in part because
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policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or
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Floyd was not shot, so there is a difference there. We seem to use "Shooting of" for people who were killed by being shot. I haven't noticed any uses of "Shooting of" for people who were not killed. See the article naming consistency in
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It makes no difference that a firearm was involved. The fact that he died is the most notable and identifying aspect of the subject and should be in the title. There are several "Shooting of" articles where the person survived:
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call it what it is, a "killing." David McAtee was killed by being shot to death. Simply titling it "the shooting" does not properly reflect the fact that he was killed because someone in KY National Guard shot him to death.
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Costello, Darcy (June 1, 2020). "Louisville Metro Police Chief Steve Conrad fired after David McAtee shooting, city unrest". The Courier-Journal. Retrieved June 2, 2020.
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green-tipped, military-grade ammunition used by guard members — known as 5.56 mm M855 bullet ... four bullet fragments found in McAtee's body were badly mangled.
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to place in the lead unqualified that the victim "opened fire on officers before being killed." The acting police chief prefaces his statement with
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with many unknowns to be investigated to present in the lead right now. It is already mentioned in the body, and can be expanded there as needed.—
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Especially considering the consensus among many activists in Louisville that he wasn't brandishing a gun, he had barbeque tongs in his hand.
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rifles (designed solely for the US military to use in wars to kill the enemy) to kill McAtee. The National Guard killed McAtee with "
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assessment based on what most reliable sources say, which is independent on what any of us individually feel the "real" intent was.—
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Then came the sound of a shot — his, according to the police — followed by a string of shots from the police and National Guard.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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While I personally agree with you, it is not our role, as Knowledge editors, to make such moral or legal decisions.
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Please see my comment below about Floyd. That is a different set of circumstances, since Floyd was not shot. —
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It does not answer every question, including why did he fire and where were police at the time he fired?
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The coordinates listed in this article appear to be the exact same as the ones in the article for the
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hasn't done so in two weeks, you'll need to find someone else to handle the sourcing request.
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has repeatedly added that "multiple video surveillance’s" showed McAtee firing at police.
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This is an informative article and the hook is good. Piped link is better pointing to
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every question, including why did he fire and where were police at the time he fired?
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.
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per BarrelProof. "Killing of..." is used for non-firearm related deaths, such as
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Was it him who fired at them? Another statement by the police said McAtee
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the police recovered six handguns and one shotgun from the crime scene.
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Hiya thanks for the comment Terasaface, yep that completes the review.
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It didn't say that video shows he shot at them. The article also says
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fired his weapon out the door of his business as police approached.
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per consistency with many other articles of a similar nature, e.g.
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changing the title to the "Killing of David McAtee." I agree with
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The term killing usually refer to non firearm related deaths.
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this is how it has been handled and how it should be handled.
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Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
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In that light, I've changed my mind and am voting for
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