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682:"The Siwanoy no doubt ate all varieties of fish and shellfish" Saying "no doubt" is editorializing which is not in the source, nor does it talk about "all varieties". Just stick to the facts presented in the source. Also, on the "broad in its coverage" front, you've zeroed in on some details, but skipped the more important big-picture, which is that they they were mostly hunter-gatherers, but also did some agriculture, planting maize, beans, and squash. There's a lot of information in the Anderson book. You don't have to include all of it, but I'd like to see significantly more coverage of the major points. As a nit, you've got this cited to page 5, but it's really on pages 6-7. 794:, which is great. I think it's fundamentally a well-written article that just needs some cleanup, especially around the sourcing, to get to GA status. If you think it's going to be ready for me to take another look at soon, that's cool. If not, I could put this on hold for a week. Alternatively, if you're having problems making progress, it's not a terrible thing to fail the review and then you're free to work on it without the tyranny of deadlines, and bring it back for another fresh review at a time that's convenient to you. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. -- 490: 467: 449: 418: 394: 367: 353: 324: 306: 292: 278: 243: 209: 677:"men would often remove all hair but a long forelock", this is certainly verified by the source, but the source also talks about this being a "mark of status". I'm guessing (but it's only a guess) that this means different men would be entitled to wear their hair in different ways to indicate status. You should do some more digging to find out the real story there. 519:"extended from Hell Gate to Norwalk, Connecticut, and as far inland as White Plains, New York, and became hotly contested", the repetition of "and" is awkward. I think you can also leave out "New York" after White Plains (if anybody's not sure which state it's in, they can click the link). So, "...and as far inland as White Plains; it became ...". 42: 609:" New Netherland authorities did not recognize his title. They accused the New Englanders of continued encroachment upon Dutch territory". Combine these two sentences, perhaps as, "New Netherland authorities did not recognize his title, accusing the New Englanders of continued encroachment upon their territory". 741:"the British Navy, supported by a militia invasion force consisting largely of City Island colonists and led by Pell himself, entered New Amsterdam and forced Peter Stuyvesant, the Dutch Governor of New Netherland, to surrender." That's cited to a page on the Town of Pelham's website, which is probably not a 524:
In the infobox, it's frustrating that when you click on the image, the full-size map doesn't have the dots for the settlement locations. Is there some way to fix this? It's also odd that the base map includes lots of modern-day details like airports and highway exit numbers. A more
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I should note that the reason I picked this article to review is that I live in the area. Many of the events that are discussed here took place within walking distance of my house. I'm thus familiar with much of the history (although there's plenty in the article that's new to me).
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I haven't heard back from you, so I'm afraid I'm going to have to wrap up this review as a failed nomination. As I noted above, this is a good topic, and the article is mostly well written, so I think another nomination could be successful if the sources are cleaned up. --
550:"each with a sagamore or chieftain" This could be read as having a chieftain being an alternative to having a sagamore. I think what you're trying to say is that sagamore is another word for chieftian. If so, "each with a sagamore (chieftain)" would be clearer. 647:
aspects. Before I do that, however, please work through this and make sure everything is sourced. There's a few places where citations appear to be missing. Once you've had a chance to work on that, ping me and I'll proceed with the rest of the review.
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Maxson, Thomas F. (2009). Mount Nimham: The Ridge of Patriots. Molokai, Hawaii: Robert Sterling Publishing. pp. 16โ€“17. I can't find anything about Ranger Press or Robert Starling Publishing. I suspect this is a self-published work, and thus not
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I'm starting this review. My plan is to do two major passes through the article, first for prose, the second to verify the references. In general, all my comments will be suggestions which you can accept or reject as you see fit.
545:"Like the greater Lenape, the Siwanoy generally had black hair and brown eyes." This is a physical description, not a cultural one. It's odd that it goes under culture, but I'll admit I'm not sure what else to do with it. 574:; you should only link a term the first time it's used, and sagamore is already linked earlier, so just unlink it here. Plus, ", and he took John White..." would read better as, ", taking John White..." 692:"near Split Rock, an ancient landmark.", calling it "ancient" is an opinion. There's lots of good sources for split rock, which give fairly specific estimates for its age, so add the age and cite to a 728: 584:"involved in war with the Dutch in 1640, which lasted five years". I think you want, "involved in A war with...". And maybe rewrite the whole thing as, "were at war with the Dutch from 1640 to 1645". 771:
You ended up with, "were at war with the Dutch from 1640 to 1645, which lasted five years.". With the start and end years, you don't need to have the "which lasted five years" part.
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Mays, Victor (1962). Pathway to a Village: A History of Bronxville. Nebko Press. p. 14. I can't find anything about Nebko Press. I suspect another vanity publisher and thus not
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I'll take another break here. You've got a fair amount of work to do reviewing references, eliminating those that are not reliable, and finding replacements that are.
589:"This period is often referred to as Kieft's War", the linked-to article says the war was 1643โ€“1645, which is at odds with what you say here. That should be resolved. 187: 231: 80: 70: 687:"Thus, tensions between the colonists and the indigenous people of the area were extremely high at this time." That's editorializing, and needs a source. 441: 731:
which refer to "Edward B. Kirk, d/b/a Nebko Press"; that doesn't give me warm and fuzzy feelings about the company as a publisher of reliable material.
570:"However, many Siwanoys likely became Christianized", leave out "However". Also, later in that sentence, "Siwanoy sagamore Wampage I" suffers from 235: 227: 631:
I'm not sure what qualifies somebody for inclusion on this list. Perhaps only people who have a wikipedia article should be included? Also, see
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At the time the Siwanoy inhabited the area, Westchester, Fairfield, and The Bronx didn't exist by those names, so, "along the coasts of..." -: -->
47: 284: 219: 745:, and 404's anyway. This is a major historical event, you should be able to replace that with a good solid RS with a bit of research. 736:
Bell, Blake A. (2004). Thomas Pell and the Legend of the Pell Treaty Oak. New York: iUniverse. Not a RS; iUniverse is a vanity press.
459: 177: 594:"this undoubtedly led to the massacre of Anne Hutchinson and her family in 1643." that assertion needs to be backed up with a source. 455: 270: 223: 126: 716: 632: 380: 183: 75: 643:
I'm going to stop here and let you work through some of the improvements I've suggested. My next pass will be to work on the
298: 156: 52: 122: 672:), we try to avoid references in infoboxes. The note on Munsee should be moved to where it's mentioned in the main text. 107: 560:"near modern-day Rye, New York". Leave out "New York", and let people click through to discover what state it's in. 664:. For the sources I can actually find on-line, I'll dig deeper and look to see that specific facts are verified. 750:
Saunders, James B. (1991). The Pelham Manor Story, 1891-1991. pp. 28โ€“29., It took a little digging to find this:
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I would eliminate the "History" heading, and promote each of the sub-sections within History to level-2 headings.
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Most of the sources are not available to me, so for those I'm just verifying that they look like
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Barr, Lockwood (1946). Ancient Town of Pelham, Westchester County, New York. may also not be a
431: 599:"A group of Siwanoy, led by Wampage I,", only link Wampage I the first time it's used. 816: 795: 146: 755: 742: 724: 712: 703: 693: 661: 115: 17: 644: 791: 92: 752:
https://www.amazon.com/Pelham-Manor-Story-James-Saunders/dp/B000UVKF2W
822: 801: 160: 134: 103: 435:and other media, where possible and appropriate. 635:and consider reworking this as running prose. 440:(images are tagged and non-free content have 8: 525:period-appropriate base map would be better. 30: 633:WP:Manual of Style/Lists#Embedded lists 61: 33: 790:I see you've been continuing to edit 514:"along the coasts of what are now..." 7: 24: 717:WT:Reliable sources#Dietz Press? 579:Conflict with European colonists 488: 465: 447: 416: 392: 389:Fair representation without bias 365: 351: 322: 304: 290: 276: 241: 207: 489: 466: 448: 417: 393: 366: 352: 323: 305: 291: 277: 242: 208: 186:for what the criteria are, and 204:(prose, spelling, and grammar) 1: 754:This doesn't appear to be a 839: 715:. I've asked about it at 161:23:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC) 823:17:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC) 802:01:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC) 604:Treaty with Thomas Pell 197:reasonably well written 190:for what they are not) 429:It is illustrated by 381:neutral point of view 337:broad in its coverage 727:. 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