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142: 280:– Several issues I hope to address with these proposed moves. First, it makes little sense to have the "second" and "third" sieges as titles but to call the first event a battle; of the three is was the most like a battle, but the distinction is confusing in this case. It does seem that siege of Gerona is the most common manner of disambiguating the various events. If the first segment were to carry the 22: 348:, since the third is not obviously primary and simple disambiguation seems better. Neutral on Battle vs Siege for the first, but yes drop the unneeded year if Battle. And thanks, Mdewman6, for taking this on. I agree that we should find something better than what we've got now, and I don't have a lot invested in a particular outcome, but those are my opinions. 71: 53: 300:
at the plural, but I would also support having the set index in place of the redirect at the singular. Third, while I personally feel "Siege" in these titles is part of the proper noun, use in sources is mixed, and most "siege" articles on enwiki do not take siege as part of the proper noun (in
296:. Second, when used alone without additional context, "Siege of Gerona" does seem to refer to the successful final siege as a primary topic, and currently redirects there. I am proposing to leave this as a primary redirect and turn the disambiguation page into a 371:
of all. The "battle" of 1808 is indeed usually called a siege. But all three sieges should be disambiguated another way, since they are not the first, second and third sieges of Girona in history, but only of the Peninsular War. (See
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spelling. Regardless, the set index/disambiguation page should use the same spelling as the articles. Overall, I am open to discussing and considering any and all variations of this proposal, but the status quo should not be kept.
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and the now expanded dab page.) As for spelling, the dab page should use Girona like the city, but the Napoleonic articles can use whichever. My preferred moves would be:
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use this spelling, and that is the criterion upon which we should base our choice. On the other hand, the modern spelling of the city is the
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within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see the
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contrast to "Battle of..." which is almost always part of the proper noun; I don't see the distinction) and
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disambiguated and the primary topic for the term; the base name
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It has been proposed in this section that multiple pages be
388: 273: 262: 228: 224: 220: 88: 96:, where you can join the project or contribute to the 305:is vague, so for now let's go for being the most 86:pages on Knowledge. If you wish to help, you can 76:This disambiguation page is within the scope of 8: 82:, an attempt to structure and organize all 19: 423:But there are other ways to disambiguate. 47: 92:attached to this talk page, or visit the 32:does not require a rating on Knowledge's 311:Talk:Third siege of Girona#Girona/Gerona 49: 7: 106:Knowledge:WikiProject Disambiguation 109:Template:WikiProject Disambiguation 38:It is of interest to the following 408:Siege of Girona (July–August 1808) 14: 163:will list this discussion on the 448:WikiProject Disambiguation pages 384:Siege of Gerona (disambiguation) 240:Siege of Gerona (disambiguation) 140: 69: 51: 20: 340:– Yes, on spelling Gerona, per 292:already redirects there and is 1: 131:Requested move 1 October 2024 175:). Please base arguments on 433:20:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC) 399:Siege of Girona (June 1808) 358:05:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC) 332:04:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC) 469: 79:WikiProject Disambiguation 64: 46: 395:Battle of Girona (1808) 249:Battle of Girona (1808) 112:Disambiguation articles 417:Siege of Girona (1809) 404:Second siege of Girona 263:Second siege of Gerona 258:Second siege of Girona 179:, and keep discussion 413:Third siege of Girona 274:Third siege of Gerona 269:Third siege of Girona 253:First siege of Gerona 208:requested move/dated 196:subst:requested move 177:article title policy 173:closing instructions 167:current discussions 30:disambiguation page 374:ca:Setge de Girona 34:content assessment 367:as proposed, but 236: 235: 231: 214: 150:renamed and moved 128: 127: 124: 123: 120: 119: 460: 391: 315:reliable sources 290:Battle of Girona 276: 265: 244:Sieges of Gerona 216: 211: 199: 190: 162: 144: 143: 137: 114: 113: 110: 107: 104: 91: 73: 66: 65: 55: 48: 25: 24: 16: 468: 467: 463: 462: 461: 459: 458: 457: 453:Requested moves 438: 437: 389:Siege of Girona 387: 346:Siege of Gerona 272: 261: 232: 205: 193: 165:requested moves 158: 141: 133: 111: 108: 105: 102: 101: 87: 12: 11: 5: 466: 464: 456: 455: 450: 440: 439: 436: 435: 421: 420: 419: 410: 401: 392: 378: 377: 361: 360: 278: 277: 266: 255: 246: 234: 233: 215: 189: 155: 154: 145: 132: 129: 126: 125: 122: 121: 118: 117: 115: 103:Disambiguation 84:disambiguation 74: 62: 61: 59:Disambiguation 56: 44: 43: 37: 26: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 465: 454: 451: 449: 446: 445: 443: 434: 430: 426: 422: 418: 414: 411: 409: 405: 402: 400: 396: 393: 390: 385: 382: 381: 380: 379: 375: 370: 369:support moves 366: 363: 362: 359: 355: 351: 347: 343: 339: 336: 335: 334: 333: 329: 325: 320: 316: 312: 308: 304: 299: 295: 291: 287: 283: 282:WP:COMMONNAME 275: 270: 267: 264: 259: 256: 254: 250: 247: 245: 241: 238: 237: 230: 226: 222: 219: 213: 209: 203: 197: 188: 186: 182: 178: 174: 170: 166: 161: 153: 151: 146: 139: 138: 135: 130: 116: 99: 95: 90: 89:edit the page 85: 81: 80: 75: 72: 68: 67: 63: 60: 57: 54: 50: 45: 41: 35: 31: 27: 23: 18: 17: 368: 364: 337: 294:WP:MISPLACED 286:WP:NATURALly 279: 217: 201: 191: 156: 147: 134: 94:project page 77: 40:WikiProjects 29: 229:direct move 221:current log 192:Please use 442:Categories 365:Oppose all 307:consistent 303:WP:MILCAPS 225:target log 98:discussion 298:set index 212:directly. 350:Dicklyon 324:Mdewman6 181:succinct 342:sources 319:Catalan 169:subpage 218:Links: 36:scale. 425:Srnec 338:Mixed 200:. Do 185:civil 28:This 429:talk 354:talk 328:talk 204:use 183:and 202:not 160:bot 444:: 431:) 415:→ 406:→ 397:→ 386:→ 356:) 330:) 271:→ 260:→ 251:→ 242:→ 227:• 223:• 210:}} 206:{{ 198:}} 194:{{ 187:. 157:A 427:( 352:( 326:( 152:. 100:. 42::

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