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Regardless of not conforming to the neutral point of view policy, it remains an undeniable that
Sosabowski was a very intelligent, courageous and skilful commander of men. Not only that but it is a fact that he was treated very badly after the war (as well as L.Col John Frost) in order to take the
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Cornelius Ryan was the author of the original book that inspired the movie. His book needs to be referred to as far as helping to flesh-out the
General's participation. It also refers to Major Urquart's (not to be confused with the General)intel report that mentioned the presence of two SS Panzer
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Any accusations against gen. Sosabowski were aimed on saving the "fame" of
Montgomery even against the truth and at expense of anyone at hand. The Market-Garden was far above Monty's inelectual capacity, and Sosabowski only pointed out it's weeknesses. Monty, fully aware of shortages of military
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Airborne community both British, American and Polish about how some of the more able commanders were treated as scapegoats and that the blame for Market Garden should be placed squarely at Montgomery and Browning.
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of Polish Army in West. It was/is the lowest "General" rank. Polish
Knowledge says, that in September 1943 than colonel Sosabowski was offered command of joint Polish-British parachute division (about 1000 polish soldiers and 11 000 british) with promotion to general rank, by
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