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I have the impression that we have a consensus that using 'Polish noble' doesn't really make much sense. So at this point, the main issue is whether to use the date of death or the name of the office, such as 'voivode,' 'starost,' 'hetman,' etc. I lean towards the latter, but I don't oppose the
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