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1205:. Yes, I can cite that because I also know policies. You are reverting the addition of a comma and the change of the word "his" to the "the". Because you needed an explanation for something so minor, I gave it to you (the first, though not so obvious sign of OWN). You then reverted and told me to discuss as per WP:BRD (second sign of OWN). Muboshgu then reverted you and saw how very minor of an edit mine was that it did not need discussed. You then revert him and told him "um yeah... per WP:BRD, it does." (third sign of OWN, and the one that stood out as OWN). I revert you and call you out on the issue of OWN. You then revert me, again, with "if you can cite OWN, then you can read WP:BRD. stop edit warring and discuss your edit on the talk page". (the fourth sign that solidified the issue of OWN). Oh, and to top it off, you put a warning on my page for edit warring. 2174: 1226:
Once I reverted you, you should have started a discussion here to support your edit, not continually revert, in concert with your friend Muboshgu. Now, I can admit I shouldn't have repeatedly reverted (and have since stopped), but can you admit you should have followed BRD in the first place? Also, surely you don't need me to explain to why OWN doesn't apply here, do you? Now that I've agreed to stop reverting you, instead of complaining, how about you
31: 2210:. After attempting to change it to say New Republic, something the link already directs you to anyway, I was reverted. Before reverting, I just wanted to explain why. Just because it isn't explicitly called that in the film, doesn't mean there aren't reliable sources that back up what it is specifically. Just like Maz is described as a cantina owner, even though the word cantina isn't used either. There is no reason not to be more specific. 1597:, this has absolutely no relevance to the current discussion. Could you by chance listen to some of the other editors that are confused by the 'his' wording? "Disruptive" is referring to continuing to say the same thing over and over when everyone says the opposite, "belligerent" refers to your dismissive attitude toward other editors' opinions. I see that you've already been taken to the 3RR noticeboard by Scrapiron. 2126: 2453: 510:...and you're asking this why? It doesn't state in the article that Luke has a light-saber with him in exile, nor do we see one with him the film. Unless you're looking to discuss the content of the article, this is not the appropriate place for your question. I've added a welcome template to your talk page to help you out. - 639:'s comment, of course the ending is a cliffhanger, but that doesn't mean it needs to be explicitly stated as such in the plot summary. It works perfectly fine without doing so: The film ends with Rey holding out the lightsaber to Luke, and the plot summary ends with the same statement. I don't see any problem with that. -- 2298:
What evidence do we have that the Republic portrayed in the film is the "New" Republic? Being supported by novels and other legacy materials doesn't justify its inclusion here. The opening crawl is probably the most important piece we can look at. If the film supported the term, then clearly it would
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did not underperform overseas if accounting for its 40/60 domestic to international split." I added it because a Deadline source offers the view that the film did not truly underperform overseas. Would you rather that I remove that line? Or reword it? If reword, reword it how? Either way, the section
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The final shot shows her "presenting" or "showing" but not necessarily "giving". That's probably a moot point, but thought I'd point that out. As for "the" vs. "his", I think it would be better to leave it at "the" simply because throughout the plot section, only one lightsaber is ever mentioned. Had
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Stop being biligerent. Clear disruptive attitude, I count two recent edit wars wolf started looking back through the history of the article, repeatedly breaking 3RR. The edit itself has been discussed above and the consensus seems to be that the edit is better than the original. I suggest taking wolf
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1) You didn't address your comment to Fru1tbat. 2) Your comment followed mine. 3) It's an open talk page, anyone can reply to anyone. 4) I don't see where Fru1tbat said anything about offers being mandatory 5) Many of your comments don't seem to make much sense 6) Why are you sooo desperate to change
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made is fine. The "new" (capitalized or not - I don't care which) provides context and clarity, and differentiates it from the Republic of the previous films. I wouldn't use "New" every time the republic is mentioned, but the first time seems reasonable to me. An alternative would be to describe the
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The film just refers to Anakin asDarth Vader, not actually Anakin, so why is his name allowed as that in the plot summary? And the New Republic is canon, and it is what the film refers to when speaking of the Republic. The film also doesn't use the phrase cantina, although it is also in the summary.
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It is explicitly referred to as just "the Republic" throughout the film, including the opening crawl. The term "New Republic" is not actually in the film, and not actually codified as being the name. It's a hold over from the old EU, and not actually canon to this film. But regardless of canonicity,
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To the OP's point (more or less), though, it would be nice if there were a metric that didn't depend on multiple fluctuating exchange rates (e.g. ticket sales?). For comparing pure financial success, it's the most accurate, but it seems to me that it's often equated with "popularity", for which it's
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I just haven't had a chance to post here yet. For the record, I'll stop reverting that edit. I was waiting to see if the user that added the edit would start a discussion to support after being reverted per, WP:BRD. I still don't that discussion, just a complaint of edit warring by another, involved
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The description of the ending currently reads: "She finds Luke and presents him with his lightsaber." The word "presents" can imply that he accepts it, depending on how the Knowledge reader interprets the word "presents". However, Luke accepting or rejecting the lightsaber does not happen during the
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BRD is not an excuse to revert any change more than once. If your reversion is met with another bold effort, then you should consider not reverting, but discussing. The talk page is open to all editors, not just bold ones. (on this one, you should have started this discussion instead of continually
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I already made a revert to the edits in question and suggested a talk page discussion in the edit summary. I then started said discussion. You ignored that (and WP:BRD) and needlessly reverted me. As it is, I've now boldly removed the day/month part of the dates in the lead along with the refs, and
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Also, the nominator doesn't seem to have edited the article at all, or considered noticing major contributors. Plus, the article isn't exactly very stable at this point, since the film is still in theaters and gaining repercussion, and it indeed seems too early to give it a GA nomination. This will
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Eh? No need to bite me either, hardly or at all, young wolf. ;) I'm happy to edit again (see discussions above, and the page history) but don't want to do so unless (as seems likely) it will just be reverted, hence my discussion first: your comments aren't very encouraging in that respect. I'm also
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and re-add it. One user disagreeing with it is not enough to warrant keeping out an edit that improves the article by alleviating any confusion a reader would face. For example, the whole reason I made the edit in the first place is because someone I know thought the Republic now is the same as it
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We seem to have opposite views of "offer" and "present." If "offer" were mandatory, why would "I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse" have such a big impact in The Godfather? If "present" implied the ability to refuse, why would it make such news when an athlete is presented with a medal
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BRD is pretty simple, You boldly change to "the", I revert back to "his" Sure, it's minor, but that doesn't exempt it from discussion, nor does that mean that your preferred choice of wording stands. Even Scrapiron diagress with your edit, and as you can see, he is not doing so as a favour to me.
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Actually OWN applies pretty well here, which Scrapiron noticed. And actually (Scrapiron can correct this if I'm wrong), he didn't "disagree" with the edit. He just didn't see it necessary (there's a difference). BRD is pretty simple, and you might want to review it, especially these two points:
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The nomination is being reverted: the nominator made a series of thirteen GA nominations today, and also conducted a review that showed he is unclear on the GA process altogether; all of his nominations are being reverted. The GA nomination of this particular article does seem premature for the
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Reverting me was not necessary. I agree with leadcite, that's one of the reasons I suggested moving the refs out of the lead and to the sequels section. Instead of reverting, simply asking the community if we should the day/month part of the dates to that section as well. As it is, there is no
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That is a whole other debate within itself (Was she returning it to him, or was she presenting it as a way to say "train me"? etc.). In regards to the issue at hand, it may not be confusing for you, but it can be for others. As Torchiest pointed out and the reason I made the edit, using "the"
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Is it just me, or this somewhat pre-mature? There is still new info coming in on a daily basis; box office updates, box office records breaking, changes in critical reception, awards, awards and more awards, production-notes, home video release, etc., etc., etc. The article is being edited by
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Having thought about it more, I think I prefer "present". Maybe I'm being too picky about nuance, but it seems to me that "offer" implies a required acceptance, whereas you can "present" something to someone for their information, approval, acceptance -- whatever. Is she really intending to
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My last comment: Multiple articles from reliable sources have called out that the ending is a cliffhanger, for instance so I am puzzled that the wording of the plot does not make it clear that it is a cliffhanger. I will follow the notice to stop editing the plot. I'm just puzzled.
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BRD is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes. Don't invoke BRD as your reason for reverting someone else's work or for edit warring: instead, provide a reason that is based on policies, guidelines, or common
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But generally, it also seems to be a strange section, both saying the film's performance isn't good (when by any reasonable measure it's incredibly successful) and at the same time making excuses for that supposed failure (again, not really a failure). Seems like it's almost
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The 'plot' section of the article is specifically about what took place in the film. It wouldn't be appropriate to add details and info from a novel. That said, it might be worthwhile to have a section in the article about the novel and what plot-points it expands upon. -
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belongs to luke. and 2: Luke also has another green lightsaber that he used in RotJ, Thus making 'his' lightsaber a possibly ambiguous statement to some readers that haven't watched the film (i.e. they most recently saw luke with the green lightsaber at the end of RotJ)
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Wolfchild is bieng disruptive, reverting a comma and a 'the' ... Seriously? Also the 'the' is a nessessary change. The lightsaber isn't even lukes, if anything it was anakin's, or maybe it belongs to rey now... The confusion here clearly means 'the' is the right choice.
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The novel version of the film identifies the planet Luke Skywalker lived in exile as "Ahch-To". But since the name was never mentioned in the film itself, it wouldn't be wise to add the name to the plot itself. But shouldn't at least add a note about it to the article?
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I hadn't seen that, strangely enough. I think a novel is warranted. After all, there are a number of plot elements that did not take place in the film and the same guidelines that allowed for the first six installments to have their novelizations counted apply here.
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have been used here. Remember, events and timelines that existed previously outside of the earlier films do not necessarily apply to the events and timelines depicted in this film. The only thing we know for sure is that we are picking up from where we left off in
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specifically provides for editorial discretion on whether or not references should be included. If the release dates are in question (as they seem to be) or in flux, the citations in the lead are perfectly acceptable, and I think I'd personally prefer they stay.
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another been brought up, then clarifying "whose" lightsaber would be necessary. That doesn't mean "his" is necessarily wrong; it just means it's optional and probably best avoided since it adds interpretation that apparently multiple editors don't agree with. --
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still not inspired with confidence that you're really reading other people's comments: the only other comment on "cliffhanger" I can see is again Fru1tbat, below, who seems to be saying that "of course the ending is a cliffhanger" but it's covered already. ‑‑
1566:. And, since when do talk page comments get reported to the "3RR notice board"? (whether they're "deliberately inflammatory" or not?). Simply put, I believe the original wording was correct. The lightsaber clearly is "his". This hasn't resulted in confusion 2340:
Wow, that was embarrassing! Shows you just how much I know! In light of this rather obvious information (thanks JDC808), I think I'll gracefully bow out of the discussion. Still interesting the crawl doesn't use "new", but I'm dropping my opposition to it.
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Do we really need the full d/m/y dates (with refs) for the two upcoming sequels in the lead? Wouldn't the years only suffice? We have a "Sequels" section lower down for this kind of detail. Perhaps we could move the full dates and their refs to there? -
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done?) Also, I didn't see what the question of whether or not Luke having a light-saber has to do with the original content question of this section. Lastly, I don't agree with the "cliffhanger ending", and now it seems that others don't agree either. -
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act. Now, I don't know where you got "mandatory" from, or how it applies here, nor how the ability to "refuse" applies either, but they're basically irrelevant. The way the last line is written is perfectly acceptable. There is no need to change it. -
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of the other involved editors are finally discussing it as well. You got to post your (belated) little dig, but I won't be explaining anything to you. Do you have anything relevant to add to the current "his" vs "the" content discussion? -
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films traditionally haven't done well in China, for example. I state "traditionally" because of this latest film having had a solid opening weekend there. That solid opening weekend is due in part to the marketing; so I will be adding
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Oh, I agree. 30+ years is long time, and there is certainly a lot of questions that can't be answered in ≈2 hours. As it so happens, I just came across a digital copy of the novel and I'm probably gonna start reading it tomorrow. -
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Can't believe I'm gonna chime in on this but... yes, "the" makes more sense, as ownership of the lightsaber changed multiple times throughout the films (Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke, Maz, Finn, Rey), and Luke had a second lightsaber in
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I agree. If it helps the reader understand, there shouldn't be a problem with saying New Republic. I've actually tried changing it to New Republic in the past for the same reason you did and got reverted for the same reasons.
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moving the sources properly, but that's neither here nor there. It also isn't something that really needs to be discussed (at least the ref part). I agree with the fact that there is no Ep. IX date. That should be removed. -
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Well, it was Luke's at one point, but you're correct and is the reason why I made the change (and explained in my first revert's edit summary), "the" takes away any confusion that could be associated with the lightsaber.
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But there was a change. The Republic of the prequel trilogy became the Galactic Empire of the original trilogy (which was declared by Palpatine in Episode III). The Republic in this film is not that same Republic. Also,
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I think that this point is moot because how much revenue the movie does overseas needs to consider dollar exchange rate, and for example Mexico's Peso is in an all time low, so the revenue for the movie wont be as much.
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And what is the point of your post? You're the last one who should be criticizing. An admin asked me to stop reverting and I have... quit some time ago now. I have been discussing the issue, for quite some time now.
1603:-- and that is the problem. this isn't a good reason to repeatedly revert someone, the only good reason is that what they wrote is demonstrably WRONG. otherwise you are (as others have pointed out) acting like you 775:
right above this one. I'm not sure it would merit it's own article (but, who knows?). I'm thinking it might be worthwhile to add a section to this page mentioning the novel and any plot points it may expand on. -
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Ah, I see... anytime anyone edits an article in a way you don't like, they're "OWNing" it. If they disagree with you on the talk about it, they're destroying the very fabric of Knowledge as we know it. Got it. -
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editor who is trying to bypass BRD by tag-teaming the edit back in. Now I've agreed to leave it the edit alone, I would like to see either JDC808 or Muboshgu actually address the edit here on the talk. -
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since it was edited that way over 3 weeks and 700 edits ago. (alleged "confusion" on other message boards is irrelevant here). Lastly, why would Rey give him the lightsaber if it didn't belong to him? -
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I was ok with "offers", but I'm also ok with "presents". Presentation does not imply acceptance to me, so I don't see any ambiguity. Either way, I think it's probably accurate enough for a plot summary.
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Luke's lightsaber. - (edit: also "ownership" and "possession" are two different things. At no time did Obi Wan, Maz, Finn or Rey assert ownership. Themost recent, and still current "owner" is Luke.) -
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reasons mentioned above. If one of the people working on the article had nominated it believing that it was ready, that would be another issue, but as this is a drive-by nomination that did not, as the
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Do note that film articles can only be nominated once the film is no longer in theaters. So even if main contributors felt it was ready, it would still automatically fail based on that requirement. -
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I think the "offers" version of the last sentence is easier to understand. I can understand the reverts against the version that talked about the audience, but offers seems like a good clarification.
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WOW that 'source'... so disingenuous. Its a link to an article about the trailer (before the film came out) 'confirming' that the lightsaber featured in the trailer is the same blue lightsaber from
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So... I'm not allowed to participate in the discussion? And if I do, but happen to disagree with you, then I'm being "belligerent" and "disruptive"? Also I see you cited WP:OR above. I cited a
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numerous users daily. There is an active discussion about adding more content, like a section about the novelization of the film. Is this really the best time to do a GA review? Discuss. -
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There's a whole lot of it going on and it needs to stop. Thewolfchild seems to be doing the majority of it. Seriously reverting the addition of an Oxford comma and change in pronoun? –
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Great; I can't wait to hear what kind of impression it leaves upon you. If you kick off the article, I'll definitely be up for helping with shoring it up with reception and what-not.
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is not stating that the film's performance overseas was not good; it's stating that it did not do as well overseas as it did in the United States. It relays that when compared to
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your interpretatoon of the final scene is just that; yours. As in OR. There is plenty of confusion online as to what the final scene means. Therefore 'the' is the clear choice.
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It's hardly "biting", It's not as if I insulted this person, I just let them know what is acceptable. I even went so far as to add a welcome template to their page. (what have
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I find it curious that we're saying that the seventh-highest-grossing film of all time overseas isn't "doing so well." What are the criteria? I wish I were doing so well.
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May I request that we ditch the word "underperformed". Besides being a bit of corporate speak, it's also not clear what it is in comparison to. Is it lower than
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Second the questioning of the need. The plot summary effectively covers the film's plot without getting bogged down in minutia. I see no need at all.
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yours is indented the same as yours, then the author is likely responding to the same person you were. Otherwise, they would have indented it more. --
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But for the article, It was pretty clear that the lightsaber was Luke's in the film, so why the need to change the pronoun? Oxford comma, no sweat.
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state, consult with the people actively working on the article, it is being removed, and should not be restored with this nominator's name on it.
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The edit warring is a big deal, and for all the wolfChild's talk about taking it to the talk page, I don't see them here. Looks like a case of
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Yeah, all Im saying is that the "poor" performance of the movie overseas can be accounted to more factors than "not nostalgic about the film"
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I don't care either way if the full dates are included in the lead (people will keep adding them if we don't, so I don't see the harm). And
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This was a pretty monumental movie release, perhaps the plot summary should be expanded a bit beyond the guidelines of typical summaries.--
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ation" sounds more like something physical. As we know, nothing was said between Rey and Luke, she just held out the light saber. -
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and 1) it's got a lot of juicy information, 2) this information could be useful. I'll toss any info I think useful for any articles
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Which, by the way, was meant somewhat lightheartedly. Failed there, I guess. Although I would find it hard to believe he does
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You need to relax there, apparently-even-younger-Yodin... not everything is about you. Now off to Knowledge-101 you go... -
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I think the plot elements should go into a separate article dedicated to the novel. See the discussion immediately below.
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which is an in-universe thing, it's the fact that the film just call it the Republic, and so should the plot summary.
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No it isn't. It's 697 words, three below the limit, so it's pretty much perfect as it is (in terms of words used). -
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was, because "Knowledge doesn't say New Republic". This is a fact even though the link still directs you to the page
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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
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somewhat less appropriate. I agree with Flyer22 that it's still completely relevant to the article, though. --
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clarifies that its talking about the lightsaber in this film, and not by some chance Luke's lightsaber from
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There are others as well. The fact is that there is really no good reason to not just refer to it as the
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Because you absolutely had to have a discussion about this very minor edit, what is there to discuss? --
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which could more accurately be described as his. Using "the" makes it clear its the one in this film. —
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Luke the lightsaber? She must know he's already got one... (Yes, I'm definitely being too picky) --
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should be followed, with the refs down in the section (they'll have to be down there anyways). -
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As a side note, do we know from a canonical source that Luke has a lightsaber in his self-exile?
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film articles, which are predominantly GAs, but became so after their theatrical release ended.
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I'm not sure what you mean, but I think what has confused you about the section is this line: "
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of "present", multiple forms support its use in the article, especially 6a which states, "to
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through reversions on the article: please do explain why you think "OWN doesn't apply here"
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Most of the lines/characters (as well as some clarification on certain actors) are listed
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to view". None of the definitions suggest it must be accepted in order to be presented. --
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I don't think it's moot at all; how well a film does overseas matters. Compare how well
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I've had two attempts at clarifying the ending reverted, so am bringing the issue here.
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the last sentence of the plot? There's nothing wrong with it. 7) Move on already... -
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I would like to help update the cast list , to add more people that were in the film
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to the Commercial analysis section of the article...if no one beats me to it first.
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to the 3RR notice board if he is going to continue to be diliberately inflammatory.
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article for a comparison. When I added a Commercial analysis section there and at
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The Only Thing in the New Star Wars That Doesn’t Feel Like Star Wars Is the Ending
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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It would be clearer for all Knowledge readers if some other wording were used.
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is generally referred to as the Republic which could cause confusion with the
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republic a little more, but that could be awkward and unnecessarily wordy. --
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I heard that Kylo Ren has an eight pack, that he's shredded. Is this true? --
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