2632:". But, this is not country - you change their mind every 5 minutes. By the way, EU also have significant international recognition. European Union is not is an economic and political union made of independent sovereign states. Sovereign states? Part of politics and economics of this states is subject to the European Parliament, therefore this is only partly sovereign states. European Union has own parliament, policy, economy, currency, matters relating to border (abolished internal borders between states, sealing of the EU external borders) and customs (common EU-wide customs matters in relation to other countries); own partial military forces. According to political science - is a perfect example of the confederation (some even call - the federation). Also, EU is discussed on a par with the U.S. and China - in media, in scientific papers or policy documents. Hong-Kong and Macao and Middle East is not, are not compared to any country. Also, the European Union is sovereign, can pursue his own foreign policy and the economy in alliance with other countries of the world or impose sanctions on other countries, also send own military forces (such cases have already been, for example: European Union Force "EUFOR" in Macedonia - 2003, Bosnia - 2004, Congo - 2006 or Chad - 2007). For comparison: Hong-Kong and Macao does not have that option. PS. Now, in the article, name of "European Union" occurs only once - so, further quarrel is trolling.
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metropolitan area of over 5 million and an urban area of close to 5 million, Orlando has a metropolitan area of over 2 million and an urban area of over a million and
Raleigh has a metropolitan area of over a million. Riverside does not have world significance but has a metropolitan area of more than 4 million and an urban area of more than 1.5 million. Albuquerque has a metropolitan area close to a million and is relatively significant as the largest city in New Mexico. Similarly, Tucson's metropolitan area is very close to a million and is the second largest city in Arizona after Phoenix. Birmingham, Alabama has a metropolitan area of over a million and is the largest city in Alabama. El Paso's metropolitan area is close to a million (or even over a million if you count
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Sydney etc has a subtropical climate (no matter whether variant as
Mediterranean climate or subtropical highland variety or humid subtropical climate or subtropical semi-desert/desert climate). In the world does not exist "temperate climate" with winter with average temperatures of 17°C. Australian Bureau of Meteorology is unreliable in this case, ie naming climates in their area. Australian Bureau of Meteorology let the only "guessing" in forecast for tomorrow ;) The second issue, Köppen climate classification is not the only climate classifications on the world (there is at least a few, with at least two assigns subtropical climate for Sydney etc) and even, according the Köppen climate classification Sydney etc has oceanic climate, not "temperate" climate.
4321:, where all this highly specific information could be placed. If this article is ever going to get to C or B class, let alone GA, we need to partition off this long list. Such lists in the other climate articles have been essentially eliminated, because they foster routine additions, usually without supporting references. We could always link to the list article from this article. As it is, the general locations of subtropical climates lies in as many as three locations within this article, and this would help in that regard. Thoughts?
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referencing was added today, and the lead was redone. Some restructuring and improvement was done to the top half of the article, but the bottom half was basically left as-is, with much referencing still needed. A couple of the edits made today to help consolidate the lower sections with the upper sections were reverted. There had been enough drama for one day. It may take a while to get new sets of eyes on this article. Maybe the article's greater visibility within the meteorology project will help out in this regard.
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averaging 6C (43F) for the John F Griffiths and in the case of the Glenn
Trewartha Classification 8 months have to average 10C (50F) or warmer. As regards the Glenn Trewartha classification, it is unlikely that any place conforming with it would have a coldest month averaging below 6C (43F) anyway. If you can find a place where there are 8 months averaging 10C (50F) or better that has a coldest month below 6C (43F) then please type it in the space below. I will be fairly surprised if you can find one.
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gallery". Now it reads "do not overload articles with images". To me, this would include galleries. Images (if uploaded properly) are sorted in commons in such a way that images won't be lost if they are not in this article, as long as they are assigned to the right category. Whenever you work on or edit articles on here, ask yourself, "Would an encyclopedia article look this way?" and you'll have your answer for what should or should not be in wikipedia articles. Food for thought.
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detail about the same topics. My proposal is to merge the lower sections talking about the subtropical climate regimes with the temperature, rainfall, and flora sections already established above. In the meantime, I'll search for referencing to see what is supportable, and what needs elimination. The goal is to get the at least one of the climate articles to the GA standard; why not this one? The lead should be in flux while referencing is found. Any feedback is appreciated.
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which was stated twice. As a result I've reverted to my USA examples but kept your EU examples with a few small amendments. Also, I don't fully agree with your treatment of the EU as a federation, it may be a better idea to split the EU examples up into separate
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European Union is not a region. It would be better to merge all the Europe listings (EU, Ukraine, Russia, Turkey) into one, or to list each
European country seperately. Hong Kong and Macau are parts of China, but they have significant international recognition and possess a greater degree of independence than the EU does unity. However, I would not object to them being merged into a single China listing.--
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common for the reflecting pool at the washington monument to freeze. I lived in this region most of my life and even during the warmest winters 95% of our vegitation dies. Also the region averages over 20 inches of snow each winter. If you consider the
Baltimore/DC area subtropical then I wonder what is considered a temperate climate maybe "Siberia".
737:"The subtropics refers to the zones of the Earth immediately north and south of the tropic zone, which is bounded by the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, at latitude 23.5 ° north and south. The term 'subtropics' describes the climatic region found adjacent to the tropics, closer to either the north or south pole latitudinal."
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If you work with David and not against him and help him find the details required to expand this article then im sure this article could be expanded out to meet the GA Criteria. As a starting point it might be worth finding out why the WMO regional centres for the SPAC (BoM, Nadi, Metservice and Niwa
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This article is about a purely climatic definition. Sections, such as the article title, implying otherwise lead to confusion. This would bring it into line with the articles "Tropics" and "Tropical climate": this article is clearly analogous to the latter and not the former. It would help to make it
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Lima is solidly in the tropics, 12 degrees south. It has almost no elevation. Geographically, it's absolutely tropical. I understand that there's a level of disagreement over whether this page is referring to geography or climate, but I'd point out that the city has a totally weird climate anyway. In
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Australia has warm/hot climate, there is no cold climates. Australia has tropical Darwin or Alice Springs with hot desert climate (with temperatures as in the African Sahara) and so, for Australian Bureau of Meteorology, Sydney etc has a temperate climate. However, according to world standards,
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You're right. The northern half is tropical, not subtropical. The southern half is subtropical except
Tasmania. I think anyway that the term subtropical is vague and debatable. Mostly we can refer to the temperate areas between the tropics and the paralel 40. Given that, there are plenty of different
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I think the problem is that the definition of this climate according to the Koppen system is very broad, much broader than the generally used concept of "subtropical". The coldest month can have an average temperature of between -3C and 18C. That's a very big range - at the colder end you could be in
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There's a huge error in examples here. Not only this article mentions places in the southern hemisphere that are inside the tropical zone, such as northern
Australia and Lima, Peru, it also wrongly pushes parts of Europe and Central Asia located above the parallel 40 into the subtropics. Yalta is not
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Perhaps the map could show areas as subtropical if they meet all of the mainstream classifications for subtropical, i.e Koppen, John F Griffiths and Glenn
Trewartha classifications. I live in Wellington, New Zealand and i'm surprised that the article lists us as a subtropical climate. It gets neither
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The map shows the 35th parallels, but has them labelled as the 38th parallels. The lines shown are clearly not the 38th parallel as the north line does not intersect the border of North and South Korea, while the south line does not intersect New Zealand. The article, prior to my edit, also referred
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We do need to avoid POV, even if it is split off as a list article. I know too well about the DC metropolitan area. There's a 1-2 month difference between the average first and last freeze dates between National Airport (nearly surrounded by the Potomac within a virtual marine exposure) and places
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The current article organization seems to be in duplicate, and strongly weighted towards climate (particularly Koppen) over geography. It talks about temperatures, rainfall, and flora (barely changed (only slightly rearranged) since this time yesterday), then has separate sections that go into more
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Let's start with the lead. Per wikipedia policy, the lead needs to be a summary of the article below. When trying to do so, you reverted because the article below is opinion. How can you discuss something so basic? Which do you prefer...article content deletion or undoing your revert of the lead
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Would you like me to call in an admin? This is a very easy call. There's no clear tie in to those tables (or the palms for that matter)...the article merely seems to be collecting them. If there were a tie in, one of each would be associated with the relevant section of the article, not buried at
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I removed no content, per se. Just a whole bunch of weather tables, which are not tied into the article in any noticeable way. The flora images have no tie in within the article. And why all the palm trees, which can also be found in tropical climates? Knowledge (XXG) is not a dumping ground for
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What about San Francisco? Even if it has a thermal regime typical of an oceanic climate, it has subtropical foliage -- including palm trees. San Francisco has plenty of palm trees; Dallas, which has unambiguously mid-latitude foliage, does not. The absence of cold winter temperatures, and not summer
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I removed these based on the presence of the map, it appears the "zone" runs up diagonally from roughly Charlotte to Norfolk . . . which means DC, Balt and Philly are not represented by the map and Richmond is borderline. If an editor wishes to contest this with citations I'd be curious but the map
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How Can you even consider Baltimore or DC subtropical, i do realize that we close to the southern end of the temperate zone, but subtropical? have you tried to grow a palm tree here? or how about visiting us in january where its not uncommon for some sections of the chesapeake bay to freeze and its
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There are 25 pictures/graphs in this article, thats one heck of a lot for an 20kb article imo even if you think it is "ideal". You just quoting the "Köppen climate classification" is not good enough im afraid, as we need a proper source/link that tells me that per the rules on Original Research and
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But in particular that map is completly foolish. It clutters together areas with totally different climates that furthermore can't be defined subtropical. For example how can anyone connect mediterranean Europe climate (temperate climate - dry summers - wet winters,springs and autumns) with Florida
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This article is totally senseless. I don't understand the meaning of that senseless map, It should show where are located the areas of planet earth with subtropical climate, but they are marked areas that are absolutely not subtropical. And I don't understand why in the article there are paragraphs
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Classifying the south of Australia as "cold temperate" is a ridiculous push. Australia is warm. Australians love to boast that, but do not like the term tropical as it's often associated with warm 3rd world countries (lol). This is the REAL reason why they deny the undeniable fact that they're only
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Places in Europe such as Milan or Barcelona are not subtropical either. They are above the parallel 40, as much as South New Zealand or Patagonia are. Barcelona may have its share of semi-arid Mediterranean climate but it's not exactly subtropical. It has little snow because it's on the coast, just
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Subtropical climates don't have to be humid, they can be arid. In fact most of the worlds major deserts such as the Sahara lie in the subtropics. They are defined by their temperatures not by their precipitation. So in this subtropical category there are are climates that are dry all year, climates
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tropical climates as usually understood (i. e., climates typical of the tropical zone). It is important to be aware that the Group D of Köppen includes continental climates belonging to both the subtropical and temperate (which includes subpolar climates) zones, and that Group C likewise comprises
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The description of Australia being almost wholly subtropical apart from Tasmania and Victoria is misleading. The northern half of Western Australia, 2/3 of Queensland, and the vast majority of NT lie above the Tropic of Capricorn, and are therefore within the tropics. The northern parts of Western
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The Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn are the limits of the portion of the earth where the sun is at some point in the year directly overhead. The Arctic and Antarctic Circles are the limits of the Polar regions where for at least one day of the year the sun does not rise above the horizon at all.
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Subtropicalman - I understand I may have given too many minor EU examples. However, I re-arranged the USA ones in full alphabetical order (it was already in alphabetical order except at the end at which someone had added in random examples), added several important examples and removed an example
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Part of the British Isles - The Isles of Scilly - has an average in the coldest month of 10C (50F) max and 7C (45F) min - an overall average of 8.5C (47F) - so that would be subtropical on the definition given above*. Furthermore, there are 8 months when the overall average for the month is 10C
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According to your definition, also Britain and Ireland would have a "subtropical climate" since the average temperature of the coldest month for most locations does not fall below zero. In my opinion a real subtropical climate should have an average temperature of the coldest month at least above
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This isn't really correct. Places like Atlanta, Georgia or even Washington D.C. are considered to have subtropical climate but frosts and snow are relatively common there (see articles for those cities). The actual definition of a subtropical climate is that the AVERAGE temperature of the coldest
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About pictures: for you this article has too many images, for me this article has ideal number of images, other users support this or a second version, so: any new changes of pictures without discussion and consensus will be controversial changes. Second: enough that Taipei, capital of Taiwan is
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Actually Subtropicalman: Removing pictures from the article isnt that controversial since this article has too many images in it and most only have a tenious link to the article. Also i would like to see a source that proves your assertion that Taiwan is only partly tropical rather than see your
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and also explained why. Sydney has temperate climate similarly as Helsinki, Berlin, Glasgow etc? It is absolute nonsense. In 99% looks like a typical humid subtropical climate. Temperatures in Sydney is similar to the African Casablanca and Cape Town with the around 17°C in the coldest month and
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In light of your comments at 23:30 US EDT (03:30 UTC), I think a good starting point for the bottom half would be, for each region/nation, first discuss in somewhat broad generality, as I have done with the US, mainland China, and Taiwan. This will serve to immediately cut down on the number of
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of the locations in even the Koppen article are possibly not well-known (as in state/provincial capital and/or #1/2 in population within state/province) even within their own countries. As you know, there also is the potential problem with due weight—Americans who are frequently IGNORANT of the
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Oh gosh! You mix up different concepts: amount of humidity with proximity to the tropics. Nullarbor is clearly subtropical dry! It's not in the intertropical zone, it's below. So it's subtropical. It doesn't matter whether it rains a lot or not. That's not the real definition of being tropical:
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Also remember that for the OC (32F) cutoff on the coldest month, the warmest month must average 22C (72F) or warmer - very important - see the Koppen Classification. Otherwise you need to use the John F Griffiths or Glenn Trewartha Classifications which require the coldest month to be at least
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I have submitted the article for peer review. Normally, an article in a better state of development (B class) is submitted. In this case, it seems wiser to get outside opinions sooner rather than later. If memory serves, it will still take a week for feedback from human reviewers. A bit of
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I removed the gallery sections. If you're looking to resolve image and chart overloading, galleries are not the solution. Galleries just perpetuate the problem as galleries grow with time as more charts and images are added. For years, wikipedia has a policy stating "wikipedia is not an art
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EU Federalist bias? No, it not. This is your anty EU Federalist bias. Hong Kong and Macau also is not country, and Middle East; however, they also are listed near the EU. Just write "Hong Kong and Macau's separatist bias" or "Middle East Federalist bias"???? Calm down man. Do not make your new
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All the cities I listed for USA were larger than some of those already listed before my edit (of course you have removed a lot of both mine and the previous editors edits.) Also, Orlando, Raleigh and Miami are not of world significance? They attract a lot of international visitors. Miami has a
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Agree. Lima was wrongly placed as a subtropical dry example in the southern hemisphere. It is a wrong example because it's tropical rather than sub-tropical. Instead It should be placed charters of the following areas: Chile south of the Atacama desert between Antofagasta and Santiago; All the
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The Mediterranean climate is a transition climate between the dry tropical weather and the humid maritime temperate weather. All these three types of climate (deserts, mediterranean and maritime temperate) are located on the western sides of continents, both in the Northern and in the Southern
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I think that map is ridicolous, it's obvious that the climate of Provence is completely different from the desertic one of Sahara and Australian Outback, the climate of spain and italy is not comparable with that one of Florida, Japan is not the same of Arabia, Coastal south Africa has a very
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is an economic and political union made of independent sovereign states. There is no "Middle Eastern union". If someone had written "Arab League" instead of "Middle East", it would be biased. The Middle East by itself is a region. There is no bias in listing "Middle East" in this article. The
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I don't know because all the photos in this article show palms!?!?! And i don't understand because are shown artificial parks in Barcelona and Malta. In Malta and in Catalonia, and also in all other parts of Europe don't grow palms in nature, except the dwarf palm, that is a sort of bush.
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Cyprus and Malta are geographical salients of Europe, not in "Western Asia" and "between Europe and Africa" respectively (promoting expansion of the European Union to Turkey and North Africa). But in this regional climate context an appropriate description would be simply "Mediterranean".
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information, especially when it is unclear how it ties in or is unreferenced, like much of this article. Are you hoping to improve this article to wikipedia standards sometime soon, in a slower manner? Was it the magnitude of the change that was the problem? Knowledge (XXG) says to
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The temperature averages for auckland are all on the Auckland page for wikipedia, Auckland has eight or mor months with a mean average of above 10 degrees celsius, the very definition of a subtropical climate. Furthermore, here is a metereological page with temperature descriptions.
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This is completely wrong. Firstly, the tropic of capricorn passes straight through Austalia (including two of its coasts!) which maeans at least part of the coastline is Tropical. Secondly, are you actually suggesting that Melbourne and Hobart are situated in subtropical regions?
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Athens does NOT fit the given definition at all. Either the definition must be changed or Athens not included, because in Athens it freezes and snows almost every winter. If you prefer, the definition could be improved to include the Mediterranean climate, but it's not very clear.
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The mere fact that SOME subtropical plant species can be sucessfully grown in places such as Scotland or Vancouver Island ( because of the mild low-frost winter weather due to ocean currents etc ), does not mean that these places can be considered to have a subtropical climate.
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subtropical (coming in at 10.2 °C (50.3 °F) in NOV), but we all know that this is due largely due to UHI, and so I am unwilling to add it, as even Washington, DC barely falls short with 49.6 °F (9.8 °C) in NOV. In addition, it seems Salisbury, MD is less borderline subtropical
3270:" - this is opinion by one scientist, not all. In addition, for example: Los Angeles has a 20 °C (68.0 °F) in January (coldest month), Brisbane, São Paulo - 22°C etc, so... These three points explained earlier (see above), Jeppiz, please do not blindly defend the Thegreatdr.
3488:" - this is opinion by one scientist, not all. In addition, for example: Los Angeles has a 20 °C (68.0 °F) in January (coldest month), Brisbane and São Paulo: 22°C, so... These three points explained earlier (see above), Jeppiz, please do not blindly defend the Thegreatdr.
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clear in the introductory paragraph that the article is about observed climate conditions rather than mathematically defined lines on the Earth's surface, and that areas with subtropical climates may be located well within the tropics, or far into the temperate zone.
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to the 38th parallel with a link which lead to the 35th parallel disambiguation page. The rest of the article also refers to the 35th parallel; hence it appears that the map is correct except for its labeling, and therefore must be edited and labelled correctly.
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Now I'm beginning to understand your question. It would ultimately be best to find book references for various US cities, or NOAA websites stating "BLA BLA has a subtropical climate". You're right...on wikipedia, this could be construed as original research.
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Small correction - climatologists in the US use the 0 C (32F) for the bottom end of the range, not -3C. I think the problem is that the scientific meaning of the word "subtropical" and its colloquial use don't match. (Oh, and I've seen palm trees in Maryland)
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There are far too many examples. Recent feedback suggests that there is another who feels the same way. We have an option to avoid the loss of all of this unreferenced information, if you wish to follow it. Otherwise, it will probably just be gutted.
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You changes is wrong. Please do not write in the intro "with their coldest month averaging between 6 °C (42.8 °F) and 18 °C (64.4 °F)" - this is opinion by one scientist, not all. In addition, for example: Los Angeles has a 20 °C (68.0 °F) in January.
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any case, the opening paragraph of the article clearly states that this is about places that are near to the tropics but not between/within them, so if it's going to have places that eminently do not fit that definition, the opening has to be changed.
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Haha. I’m just guessing it’s easier for the average person to understand if we would define the subtropics as 23°26′10.1″ to approximately 35° north and south of the equator, and the middle latitudes as: 35° to 66.5° . As mentioned on the article
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Is there a astronomical definition of the Subtropics, in relation to the tilt of the earth and the position of the sun? All the definitions I see in this article are about climate, which is more dependent on coastlines and ocean currents.
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Same person again; there's a general problem here. The introductory paragraph gives a clear, geographical definition; but then the body of the article ignores that and applies a climatological definition that is never explicitly specified.
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article, and thought it was more effective, if we're going to keep all these tables. I also moved images to their respective sections, and swapped out some for an image which was more relevant to the nearby section. See what you think.
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That depends on how you define both the subtropics and the midlatitudes. There is great diversity of definition in climate literature, but alas, there seems to be very little enthusiasm on Knowledge (XXG) for changes to reflect that.
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Whatever reference you can find, outside of blogs. We're going to try to comply with wikipedia policy here. Whatever original research or unreferenced lines contained in this article will be purged if referencing cannot be found.
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Mexico appears a bit off as well, as places at least at far south as 19N within its main plateau are called subtropical highlands. It wouldn't be original research if someone altered the graphic to fit the referencing, would it?
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First: you write that the EU is not a country. Ok, Hong-Kong, Macao and Middle East also is not a country - but, they also are listed near the EU. Now you give the arguments that it does not matter, you write Hong-Kong and Macao
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because it shows the problem more clearly) is simply misleadingly labelled. Note that it is based on the Köppen classification – it shows Group B climates as "Desert", "Grasslands" and "Subtropical", while these are, of course,
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January temperature is almost exactly 32 F(0 C). Also, below freezing temperatures occur as far south as central Florida and no one would question that it is subtropical (with the exception of South Florida which is fully
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Finally, it's clear that there is disagreement over the definition; if none has consensus, then as far as is possible all examples (cities, regions, climate charts) should qualify as subtropical under all reasonable
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All the article about climate in wikipedia are senseless and full of mistakes, anyway the pictures of all those cities with palms used to demonstrated that they are located in subtropical areas are really funny!
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Australia, Queensland, and NT are by even the strictest definition tropical. Calling these regions subtropical is akin to labeling England polar. The NT, in particular, lies almost entirely within the tropics.
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about 25 miles away in nearly all directions (some might even say 2 miles away makes a huge difference from that location). The advent of ASOS only magnifies the snow measurement problem at National Airport.
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western area of South Africa north of Cape Town up to the Namibian border; The arid Western Australia between the tropic of Capricorn and the mediterranean climate region of Perth, or the Nullarbor Plain.
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First of all, it's the tropics, of course. Second, what, then, is the tropics definition doing on the subtropics page? It's the poleward boundaries that may be of more interest and subject to discussion.
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88.224.31.183 are right. Your list is too long and Miami not have subtropical climate. Miami has tropical climate. Do not make your changes - they are very controversial, first discussion and consensus.
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Exist some types of subtropical climate. For example: Florida has humid subtropical, southern European Union has mediterranean, Arabia has subtropical desert. This is a few types of subropical climate.
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The map found in this page (drawn by a German user) is ridiculous. How can northern Italy be "subtropical" like coastal Somalia (!) while southeastern Spain "warm temperate" like western Russia (see
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as part of it's metropolitan area) and has international significance due to it's location. Little Rock is the capital and largest city of Arkansas that has international significance due to the
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sub-tropical zones: not really a precise concept, generally the warmest part of the temperate zone, between the tropics and the paralel 40Âş. Not only Sydney, but even Melbourne is subtropical.
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Go for it. This article needs more spatial definitions to help describe the geographical regions that are the subtropics. This would help seperate it from the climate related zone known as a
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implies the 35degreee latitude is equally meaningful to the latitudes bounding the Tropic and Arctic regions. But if it is there is no content in this article explaining what that meaning is.
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outside world (even Canada) pile on a massive list of locations when a few classic examples/anchor points, i.e. Tampa for equatorward, Atlanta for interior/non-Deep South, and New York (
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is often on the western side of the subtropical high.” I’m not sure what does it mean, but I know that humid subtropical climate is usually found on the eastern side of the continents.
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If it's opinion, it shouldn't be in the article AT ALL. I was trying to make the lead a summary of the content below. There's not much to work with here with so little referencing.
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Yalta is subtropical ? This winter the temperatures went to down to even -14 C/7F , that doesn't sound very subtropical. How can Yalta and most of Australia be in the same category ?
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To begin, I think within the comments in the code, there should be hard population cutoffs, with exceptions for climate types that are extremely rare in the first place, such as Ds.
3530:, Taipei has a subtropical climate according to the most sources and whole Taiwan is only partly as tropical. Each edition by Thegreatdr in this article is controversial or wrong.
3292:, Taipei has a subtropical climate according to the most sources and whole Taiwan is only partly as tropical. Each edition by Thegreatdr in this article is controversial or wrong.
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the snows of Baltimore and at the upper end you could be on Durban beach under a coconut palm. Only the warmer climates in this category are what is generally called "subtropical".
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Your editions is very controversial, first: talk and consensus, later - changes. If some your idea be a good, others osers will notice it, and will be made change in the article.
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This question may seem out of place, but should areas such as Nashville, TN and Greensboro, NC in the U.S. that are, according to the new 1981–2010 normals (these are in general
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The Taipei wikipedia article backs up your assertion, but without a reference. I'll keep an eye out for the reference, since so much of the article is needing of referencing.
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The second part of the preceding statement makes no sense whatsoever and should be changed. I would change it myself but I have no idea what the intention of the author was.
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Sorry. Too many examples. Your changes has been reverted. Provide only the most important examples, large cities (urban area above 1 million) or cities of world significance.
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subtropical climates as usually understood (i. e., climates typical of the subtropical zone), and Group A climates as "Tropical" and "Equatorial", while these are, of course,
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but maybe we add something about Humid subtropical climate being usually found on the eastern side of continents, opposite to the Mediterranean climate on the western side?
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I found an article mentioning that the tropics have expanded out to about the 26th parallel between 1982 and 2007, and have added it into the article. Perhaps this is why.
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I agree many of the images should go. It is not clear why they are in (except for being subtropical places, they don't add much; some have only a building and a palm tree….)
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Only if there is a reference. We will have to address all of these highly specific locations being within the article. They could always make up a separate list article.
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oceanic climates belonging to the subtropical and temperate (including even subpolar climates) zones. It is silly to insist that the deserts and grasslands of Australia do
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Just study maps: Northern part of Australia - tropical; southern part of Australia, including Melbourne but excluding Tasmania - subtropical. Is that so difficult to see?
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around 26°C in the warmest month (with the exception of precipitation). But, this cities has subtropical (Mediterranean) climate. It shows that, the ABoM says nonsense.
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Once again, your reversion is reverted. Have a nice day.
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