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play of Melee, and Smash 64/Brawl. It caused an outcry by many fans that Nintendo cater to their casual play, and remove all these "glitches" from the game. Often these players would attend a tournament, expecting four player, with items, only to find 1v1 play, no items, and a plethora of new moves and techniques they didn't know of. A common claim was "If it's not in the instruction manual, it should be banned from play." This resulted in many casual players quitting the game, and making YouTube videos dissing the high level players. became a common slur. Casual players were particularly annoyed at the "tier list" that claimed Fox as the best character in the game. A majority of friendly matches between high level players would be played on Final Destination, hence the topic of the first Tourney Tards video...these casual players sent a massive amount of emails to Nintendo during Brawl's development, begging for the removal of anything that created high level play. It's one of the main reasons Brawl's game play is so shallow, and Melee's is so deep/is outlasting Brawl.
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20XX actually refers to a very popular meme among the Smash fanbase regarding this game's competetive scene; so if anything, the Megaman clone game's article would need a paranthetical and just "20XX" should redirect to this article's Legacy section, since 20XX in regards to Melee is infinitely more
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The article already makes passing references to changes within the text at points. It is not usually practice to purposefully describe the differences as a standalone paragraph/section for sequel articles. Plus, being an article that it is aimed at everyone, this would be aimed exclusively at people
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that HappyLogoLover wants to use is just plain bad, regardless of whether or not it's widescreen. First, the image does not properly show any of the characters (they're zoomed out beyond recognition), and none of them are fighting (or appear to be, at least). This already makes the image useless in
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The current image kind of sucks, no question. Yes, it could use replacing with a better image, and I'd be cool with it being replaced by a better image. And yes, you could technically say that HappyLogo's picture is "higher quality", because it does have more detail than the current one. However, I
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I'll vouch for advanced technique/metagame to be mentioned in the article. The mainstream media reporting on this mentions it, and it's what makes competitive smash so glaringly different than the play of casual gamers. Also, I know it's not official but "slang" like wavedashing and L-canceling are
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I honestly don't know. This may sound hypocritical as the current track is not itself sourced, but the best way to push potential corrections through is to find a decent source confirming your suspicions. Unfortunately, this may be one of them things that is not covered by the mainstrea media. If I
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Why doesn't the article mention the advanced techniques, or criticism of high level play? These are two things that Melee brought with it, that separated it from it's sequel. The invention of wave dashing, up canceling, L-canceling, chain grabbing, and short hopping put a huge gap between the game
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I'm not totally sure about what should be done, as in how the corrections should be made from what you've said, but yes, the corrections should be made. Should the Fire Emblem theme be replaced by the Encounter theme? Anyway, it would probably be easiest if you corrected these yourself. Thanks for
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The album cover needs a bit better a rationale, or removal. Being that it's not the subject of the article, fitting an infobox doesn't suffice. It could be argued that it shows off all of the characters, but the game's cover art shows more than half of the included characters (if we strategically
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I think there's an error in some titles, like the Great Medley. The Yoshi's Island bit is actually the Super Mario World theme, and the Mushroom Kingdom II sounds more like Mario World's ending theme. Also, "Fountain of Dreams" is actually the tune from "The Gourmet Race" in Kirby Super Star. The
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As someone who follows the Smash Bros. community, there is a lot of dispute among fans of the game as to which games are more "competitive" than others, and it is by no means a discussion which has reached a consensus. This sentence insinuates that Melee is the definitive competitive game:
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As an SRK regular, I consider Melee to be a fighting game, and none of the other Smash games to be anything but party games. This is based on the way the tournament scene, and meta game have evolved, as well as the depth, advanced techniques, and entertainment value of the players
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and provided a source showing that SSBM is a party game, but I don't think that doesn't resolve this issue. I told Darunia02 to discuss his edits here, but he failed to do so and kept on changing genres. To date, he didn't participate in any talk page discussions concerning
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Thanks for linking the image he wanted to use. It actually took me a bit to initially find it since the edit warring is actually happening in the image upload area, not here at the article. But yes, there is also that, the image doesn't convey the fighting very well either.
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Well, I definitely agree with your point. Images are only supposed to be used if they help express the game and its gameplay visually. Conceptually then, I can't understand how an image that can't exist in the game without unofficial hacking, could properly serve that role.
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Pretty much what has already been stated. I don't understand how a widescreen image that can only be acquired through hacking (and makes the character models in the image very difficult to see) better illustrates multiplayer gameplay than the previous file.
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Original Medley's opening bit isn't from Smash Bros. at all, it's a melody heard, again, in "Kirby Super Star", in special areas to save games in the mini game "The Great Cave Offensive" and other bonus levels.
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conveying the gameplay. Also, it's a screenshot from a debug mode, so it's not showing the reader a typical scene from the game. The older image, while lower quality, portrays the game play more accurately. --
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No, this has nothing to do with "being modern". Its about accurately portraying the subject of the article. The subject of this article wasn't created in for this "modern age" you're referencing.
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Seeing as this article has a section dedicated to competitive Melee, I feel like it only makes sense that there should be some mention of Hungrybox, considering that he is Melee’s top player.
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The article could include differences in game modes between 64 and Melee. The discontinuation of the "board the platforms" game, as well as the introduction of "Home-run contest".
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So, there seems to be a lot of edit warring about an image, without a ton of discussion. Please, each party, state your case here. I'll try to help mediate. Lets come to a
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Super Smash Bros. games, including Super Smash Bros. Melee, are considered fighting games because you fight each other. There are some examples I can provide here:
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Yes, that's exactly the problem. It's unofficial, that's not how the game was meant to be played or seen. It shouldn't be a representation of the actual product.
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chose a different screenshot, we could display a total of 18 characters out of 26). Also, it cites its source as IGN.com, but doesn't show specific usage. -
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I don't know how many people visit this talk page anymore, but I just wanted to inform everyone that Brawl has passed its FAC! The entire series is now at
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I was the one who originally put those statements in the article, and I agree that it promote Melee a bit too much. I'm going to change it to say
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Some fighting game players don't consider it a fighting game, because they're from SRK, and never liked the smash community in the first place.
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It was done through the swiss 0.3 gamecube booter. The swiss allows that game output to be in widescreen if "Force widescreen" is set to yes.--
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don't see what good there is in a widescreen hack of an area only accessible through debug mode. The previous picture was, as he told me
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The article mentions various tournaments through 2007. Is it also worth mentioning more recent tournaments, such as the Apex series?
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It's alright. I was looking forward to it, but if you haven't got the time then that's just the way it is. Thanks for your efforts.
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Well since the 2010s are modern like now. They should be in 16:9 widescreen because that resolution became the standard in 2009.
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Feel free to make the article. I also agree it seems like an odd redirect here, but I don't know what else to point it toward.
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disagreed and said it is not a fighting game. He changed the genre as an action game, and then a party game in his edits:
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No, it isn't worth mentioning. Giga Bowser is also playable, but only through hacking. The same goes for Master Hand.
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Dunno if anyone is still maintaining this article, but here's an interesting source for you from a Sakurai interview
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Anyway, I think this stuff should find a small niche in the article, since it's a major part of the games legacy.--
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It says Melee's release date is the third, but multiple searches on google list it as the 2nd of December, 2001.
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If you're going to discuss techniques then you can't just name-drop them in an article with zero explanation.
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majority of people in general do. Any genre can have wide variations. Take, for example,
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manage to find some spare time, I'll investigate it myself. Thanks for raising this.
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Should we mention Master Hand is a playable character in Melee, through a glitch?
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Page 32 of the booklet doesn't mention neither the stock mode nor the time mode.
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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
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Wow, I didn't even know that existed. I'll have it up later today. Thanks, FMF.
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20xx is a megaman clone so it needs its own article. it is available on steam.
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Possible errors in some of the cues' titles from the Smashing... Live! album
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is still considered to be the Smash title most suited to competitive play.
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I haven't changed it, because I may be wrong. Please correct if wrong. --
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Though there are also sites that list the 4th as the release date...
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I feel like Hungrybox should be mentioned in the competitive section.
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Some fighting game players don't consider it a fighting game.
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You may want to look into that though for a FAQ on IGN states
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No. That list is for "officially" playable characters.
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