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documentation on how long of a lifetime this project could be considered viable? At some time they will fail and at different temperatures this will happen at different rates. What are the best and worst case future scenarios for the length of time a seed can continue to be viable under this set of variables over a set number of years.
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extremely vulnerable to new diseases. It's more or less been driven further to avoid attacks from new diseases, as well as to increase size of the fruit. In fifty or seventy years time, the banana as we know it may no longer be around in the supermarket. When that kind happens, it's vital to have backup of a less cultivated form.
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Being from Sweden , one of the countries that have been in on the old project of a seed bank in
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I am totally for genetic engineering, but a big part of these kinds of banks is to have something to go back to if one of the plants we make gets out of control and the old version no longer exists. Say we make a new kind of corn but a few decades from now when everyone is using it a new bug comes
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The problem I am having is that the sources don't specify whether they are talking about the active layer, the isothermal layer, or the layer in between. The iosothermal layyer, by definition, doesn't change temperature just because of a particularly warm summer. and our article on permafrost says
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Clearly those temperature are not enough to melt the permafrost around the Global Seed Vault, so the problem seems to be that the seed vault was designed so that rainwater and snowmelt can flow into the tunnel. Rebuild the entrance so that the opening is a couple of meters above the local ground
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This is an interesting thought...I recall hearing a time frame given somewhere, which took into account the average temperature the permafrost in that area stays at, but I've not seen anything which accounted for possible differences in temperature, due to global warming for example. I'll try to
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Well can we debate it as a theoretical point with a goal being to discover what types of benefit it could have for those groups and encourage further digging from that discussion to support a possible looking into on what potential impacts an attack might have? If naught comes up then naught is
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re:Mboverload (on the needs for this even if there isn't a nuke war) Yes, exactly. The banana is a case in point, it's arguably one of the five most cultivated/transformed of all cultured food plants (and it's been that long before the chance of direct genetic modification arose) and so it's
2280:, sorry, I didn't see this before. Svalbard in general has a ridiculously high percentage of glacier coverage, around 60% at times, but the area of Longyearbyen is fairly clear of them. It's one of the reasons the site was chosen: dry air, elevated and almost plateau-like terrain. Check out
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Should the electricity that is cooling the seeds fail the temperature will still maintain a suitable temperature for storage for some time, as I've read. All signs point, though, to the idea that eventually these seeds will fail due to age at this higher temperature. Can we find some more
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what do you mean? Clearly those temperatures are enough to melt the surface. And they make it sound like it was a permafrost problem not rain or snow melt. But that could be a misnomer. However if it is permafrost what are the chances it would melt significantly in May, yet doesn't melt
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Research one can find an article about the background of the vault. Monsanto, big food firms, GM crop corporations and the Rockefellers are in control. The vault serves to protect their interests. The article can be found here:
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Svalbard Global Seed Vault (also called Norwegian Seed Bank or globalt sikkerhetshvelv for frø på Svalbard) is a "doomsday" seedbank under construction on the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen in the remote arctic Svalbard archipelago.
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Well, like I said, this page is for discussing the article itself, not possible scenarios involving the vault. Anything like that would be original research. I love such types of debate...this just isn't the place for it.
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Only the depositors of seed at the Seed Vault have access to their seeds. The depositor has the sole right of access to materials stored in the Seed Vault. No one has access to anyone else’s seeds from the Seed Vault.
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The seeds requested by researchers include "samples of wheat, barley and grasses suited to dry regions" to replace "seeds in a gene bank near the Syrian city of Aleppo that has been damaged by the war."
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The article was recently changed to state that the seed packets are of three-ply foil construction, versus the previous four-ply. This is of course backed by a citation, but there's an issue. While
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Err, totally bogus. Neither video mentioned anything about a Planet X, so I have no idea where he got that. Possibly just made up, since it is just user-generated content. Feel free to disregard.
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Norwegian Seed Bank will remain serperate and is located within a disussed mine. the Svalbard Global Seed Vault is a new construction near to the Norwegian Seed Bank
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