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I think he meets number 3 as his actions were not significant to the event. It is possible (I don't think we will ever really know) that his actions may have saved a life, but over 20 people were killed and there were as many as 8, 10 perpetrators. No reliable sources seem to suggest his actions were
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it's necessary or preferable to include them, maybe they can all be condensed into a sentence or two. Something like, "Statements expressing condolences for the incident were made by representatives from the governments of Angola, Brazil, Croatia...."?
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arise. This is fairly basic dispute resolution. Closure does not even come into it yet as further uninvolved input needs to be solicited on the actual issue giving rise to the proposal.
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Redirected this article here as the person has no notability outside of this event. This article documents Hamid Hussain's claim to notability, so there was no need to merge. Regards,
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