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I understand it's important information, but the shootdown of the RF-4 didn't lead to Syria shelling Turkey, Turkish policy changes or not. I think it should be included as its own (and the initial) incident. It should absolutely be included, however I think "background information" would include any
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As has been stated, the Syrian Civil War article is way too large and there are a lot of efforts to trim it down, so we should not start merging articles. I'd also say that the military action between Syria and Turkey is notable (as are a lot of border skirmishes). Furthermore, this article will in
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