Talk:Poaceae - Knowledge

1550:. Bamboos are not commonly referred to as 'grasses; yet these are in the Poaceae. Cereal crops (eg. maize, wheat, oats) are not commonly referred to as grasses; yet these are in the Poacaeae. Reeds in the Arundinoideae are also not called grasses, yet these are in the Poaceae. Rice crops are generally not called a grass; yet these are in the Poaceae. Whilst it might be OK for simplicity purposes to refer to the 'grass family' when we mean the Poaceae (which is just what the article does in places when it refers to 'grasses'), it is simply not the same thing to say that the Poaceae can be called 'grass'. This move proposal is simply flawed, and 670:

suggest this classification. Family-wide phylogenies (e.g., that of the Grass Phylogeny Working Group) suggest that this classification is polyphyletic (Danthonioideae & Chloridoideae would also have to be included in Arundinoideae to yield a monophyletic subfamily), and recognize Aristida in a separate subfamily Aristidoideae. So, maybe I've missed some of the relevant literature... but, as it is, this page provides a subfamilial classification that is both unsourced and, so far as I can tell, inconsistent with phylogenetic results. So, where does this classification come from and what is the justification for using it?

358:"Cereal grasses" is a useful but vague phrase. It generally refers to the members of the wheatgrass tribe (Triticeae) that are used for baking and flour production - wheats, rye, and barley. I don't think it is usually used to refer to corn/maize, rice, or teff - or the other grasses that are used for baking in other parts of the world - but that could be simply because I have only worked in parts of the world where the primary flour-producing grasses are the wheatgrasses. "Cereal" can also be used to refer to non-grasses that are used for flour - buckwheat etc. It is a vague but useful word. 3178: 3026: 1396: 1298: 31: 1914:. The article title should be unambiguous. The common name is sometimes used for the whole family , but it is also used more specifically for some members of the family (based on particular morphology) to exclusion of others or more loosely to include members of other families (rushes, sedges). It is used in different senses in different contexts (e.g. grass-fed livestock are fed on grass to the exclusion of grains). Poaceae unambiguously refers to the family. — 85: 64: 1376:"With more than 10,000 species, the grass family, Poaceae, is one of the largest families of flowering plants. Its members are monocotyledons and feature leaves with parallel veins; the flowers are usually wind-pollinated. Many grasses are cultivated as ornamental plants and for lawns, and several are staple cereal crops. The following is a list of some of the major genera and species in Poaceae, arranged alphabetically by common name." 2100:"Grass" is not particularly accurate, as explained above. I would support "grasses" or "grass family", but tenuously. Here, I think accuracy and precision is more important than the common name. The overwhelming majority of plant articles are scientifically titled instead of given their common name title because of the fact that plant common names are much more voluminous and confusing than animal common names. Take a look at 1857: 1887:. English, like all natural languages, derives much of the meaning of words from the context. "Grass" can exclude bamboos, reeds, etc. in some contexts, and include them in others. "Grass" may mean "lawn grass" as in "I cut the grass today". This is an encyclopedia; we should be at least as (if not more) concerned about precision than using titles which are based on natural language, with all its context-dependency. 3132: 2982: 1340: 1254: 22: 95: 1781:: Poaceae are hundreds of species of grasses with very different characteristics, hugely important in terms of resources and ecosystem services, and the concept should not be reduced to the green stuff on our lawns. However I would support a renaming of the article to "Grasses", which carries an appropriate implication of diversity. 181:

essentially removing centering from the title boxes and centering the text/list boxes. This approach will not work without considerable effort on taxoboxes with long or complex listings of taxa. Also, it is generally standard practice to center things like titles and pictures and not center following text; or not center anything. -

1932:. 1) as already stated Poaceae is unambiguous, while the meaning of grass is contextual. Note also the existence of viper's grass (a composite), Good Friday grass (a rush), yellow/blue-eyed grasses (iridaceous), sawgrass (a sedge), seagrasses, and probably others. 2) consistency of naming of botanical families. 1578:), to name but two). So this move proposal would only serves to obfuscate, and only please those who really don't appreciate the breadth and enormous significance of numerous members of this Family which are never referred to as 'grass', but which may collectively and for convenience - be referred to as 3241:

Please clairify the difference between leaf sheaths and stems. Grass leaves are comprised of a blade and sheath and grow from nodes at the soil surface, and leaves emerge from the stem through the sheath of the older leaf, forming a tiller. The short stems, with very tight internodes, are at the soil

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I've added a "citation needed" to the description of the "most recent classification" of Poaceae. Which classification is this? For instance, wikipedia is listing Aristida in tribe Aristideae of subfamily Arundinoideae... I've done a brief literature search, and am not coming up with any studies that

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There is I think another issue with beer. The section says "Also, the primary ingredient of beer is usually barley or wheat, both grasses that have been used for this purpose for over 1000 years" but beer based on malted barley has been around for much, much longer than that (around the 3rd millenium

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I dissected a wheat spike and made the three pictures Spica_spiculae.pgn, Anatomia.png and Spicula_dissecta.png that are in the Commons. They were SVGs, but I couldn't upload them properly and so I converted them to PNGs. I think that a more detailed desciption of the peculiar flower/fruit of Poaceae

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lists, among others: 1a "Herbage usually restricted to low-growing, non-cereal plants of the family Poaceae or other plants resembling these"; 2c "Any of numerous other plants esp. those thought to resemble the members of Poaceae (or more widely Poales)" (this does appear to roughly correspond to

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I think you make a very good point. Members of the Poaceae family can be referred to as 'grasses', but the family cannot simply be called 'grass'. That is an error in the article lede which does need amending. If the article were to be renamed - and I maintain that it should not - then it should be

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should not be retargetted to Poaceae. The redirecting terms can have two distinct meanings; traditionally they refer to a paraphyletic form classification (grasses/sedges/rushes), but they have been used in recent decades as names for monophyletic clades (as a clade name, graminoid/graminid excludes

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Although I'm sympathetic to the idea that articles shouldn't always gravitate towards technical and specialist approaches to a topic, I'm just not especially clear on what this split would be aimed to do or how we'd define "grass". As far as I could tell from a little looking around we already have

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I support coverage of the distinction between Poaceae and grasses as described by Ortizesp above. I have not looked at this to determine where that should occur, one or two separate pages. If there is sufficient material/if there are sufficient non-Poaceae grass species then I support splitting as

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I was taught (in England) that, at one time, "corn" simply meant the primary grain used for flour production. In England, this was wheat, in parts of Scotland, it was rye, and in much of the Americas it was maize. As North American usage became more prevalent, the interpretation of corn as meaning

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I always hate to be contrary, but why did you (UtherSRG) reformat the taxobox in a way that is inconsistent with all the other taxoboxes at Knowledge and call it an "update" ? The format you used is (IMHO) not at all an improvement and can cause difficulty to follow in many situation since you are

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redirects to, my reactions would have been first "what, it redirects somewhere?", second "I guess lawn?", third "I have no idea". I did not know the word "Poaceae", nor "Sisyrinchium", nor "Vallisneria". I dare believe that I am at least in the top 20% of my (first-world) country when it comes to

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I have now merged Grass into Poaceae. I have tried to do this conservatively, but that means work is still required to clean up. In particular there are many points where citations are needed and some thinning out/compacting would be desirable in places - such as the sections on lawns and sports

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In the "Grass and society" section it is mentioned that grasses "have been used to make paper since at least as early as 2400 B.C." Paper is generally acknowledged to have been invented in the 2nd century in China. Papyrus, on the other hand, has indeed been around since the 3rd millenium BC, but

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everyday words like "mountain" or "river" shouldn't be linked, and grass with its meaning of a turf or lawn is an everyday use. A cursory look through what links to the Grass redirect page also suggests Poaceae is a sensible redirect, since most contexts are more technical in scope: pages aren't

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That looks like it belongs on a page called "Turf" not grass. "Turf Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster 1 · the upper layer of soil bound into a thick mat by roots of grass and other plants ; 2 · land covered with grass." Grass or Grasses to me in encompassed by the the large but diverse

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This is not antiquated (the entry for "grass" is fully updated to the third edition of 2019, with the last modification made in December 2021), but represents the most common meaning of the word in everyday English – most ordinary people, for example, wouldn't think of a field of wheat as being

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I am opposed to that. I think it would set a precedent that could lead to the dismantling of articles on other major taxa. Poaceae is one of the largest plant groups, of immense importance to the biosphere and to human economy. To lose the definitive article that states what they are would be a

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In reference to grasses: grain is a much easier term than caryopsis; fruit, a logical alternative, conjures up images of fleshy things like apricots, plums, and oranges; seed is probably not used simply because people tend to think of seeds as things that are inside something else - and it is

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Grain generally means a dry, starchy seed or fruit that one grinds to make flour. Technically, in grasses, this would be the fruit (a caryopsis) which is inseparable from the seed. It is also sometimes used to refer to dry fruits/seeds of plants, such as buckwheat, that are not grasses.

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per this article: "Poaceae (/poʊˈeɪsiaɪ/) or Gramineae is a large and nearly ubiquitous family of monocotyledonous flowering plants known as grasses, commonly referred to collectively as grass". If this is erroneous, it should be changed. Otherwise, per common name, this should be moved.

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So what happened to Gramineae? All the article says is that Poaceae is also called Gramineae before mentioning later where the name Poaceae comes from. If you're going to tell us where the name Poaceae came from, shouldn't you at least also tell us where the name Gramineae went to?

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covered with grass. There's no contradiction either (unless you expect each word to have one and only one meaning): the meaning of the word "grass" in the definition you provide is OED's 2b "Any of various monocyledonous plants comprising the large cosmopolitan family Poaceae ". –

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medley that simply connects the dots between the several common meanings of the word. I don't think the family is the primary topic for the word "grass". Yes, it is used commonly like that in the scientific literature, but it has other, probably more common, meanings. The

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would be very useful, especially if presented with pictures of a real spike (not schemes). I could do it, but unfortunately I don't know the nomenclature in the english language (and so I cannot even translate the notes in the images), can someone help me? i need to know:

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of an article usually does not need to be cited for information that is clearly given and sourced in the body of the article, as it is here. The claims in the lead are not controversial and the sources given for the members of the family are definitive academic sources.

2797:. "Grass", without a qualifier, is a vernacular term only rarely used to described species outside of Poaceae. To accommodate fringe definitions there is a disambiguation page. I agree with Tigraan that the hatnote(s) on Poaceae could be clarified to include a link to 2175:

I started the move request above, and the reality is that Poaceae and grasses are not synonymous or exactly equivalent. Grasses tends to refer to certain strains, some of which "(rushes, sedges)" are not in Poaceae at all, so you can say that grass is a non-diffusing

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I think the concept "grass" is much more ubiquitous that Poaceae, and has many more uses beyond just the scientific. Poaceae should refer to just the scientific classification, and grass to the non-scientific group. They have some overlap, but are also very

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At worst, there should be a DAB page at the base name, although I contend grass should probably have a page for itself. I don't think it makes sense for the more popular and universally used concept of grass to have been the merged into the more specific

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surface. I was taught that tillers are not stems. Don't stems have nodes that contain meristem tissues? Won't stems respond to cuts with growth from the nodes? Since we don't see that growth from tillers isn't is misleading to call them "stems"? Thanks,

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has been applied to such a broad taxonomic level to a group of so many totally different species? The example you give of a single species is totally irrelevant here, and only serves to mislead others who might wish to express their considered opinion.

2813:. But an article about lawns/sod/turf entitled "grass" doesn't make sense because grass is a much broader topic than its human uses, and the topics lawns/sod/turf comprise more than grass. The depth seems covered and linked pretty comprehensively in 2123:

The terms Poaceae and grass are not totally interchangeable. Poaceae is a scientific description of all plants currently deemed to be within one family. Grass is a general description for some plants that look like some of the plants within Poaceae.

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Anecdotally, I have heard most of these mentioned plants referred to as grasses before. (Wheat is even called wheatgrass in diet drinks and the like.) I can't think of what else they are usually described as, besides the more general "plants".

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describing the structure and nomenclature of the grass inflorescence, and I think it would be appropriate to have the glume redirect reversed and a short article created. What is the formal procedure for reversing a redirect such as this?

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contains the same claim, with the same source (arguably added by the same editor). I did a Google search and I can't find any publication that supports this. I suggest to remove the claim from both articles unless a proper source can be

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It's currently being decided on the best way to link (or unlink) the term "grass" in the context of the surface type of places (like stadiums or runways). The results are going to affect around 1,500 articles. The discussions are:

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It seems that the proposed change would only reflect on one of the uses for SOME grasses, but grasses have many others as reflected on the Poaceae page. I would support better pages for "Lawn" and "Turf" with improved redirects.

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In general I was having problems with the geographical descriptions -- one crop per region -- as of course today the US for example produces everything. I tried to alter that to "Historically..." but got overridden.

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for the reasons given immediately above. Poaceae is the only specific name that describes this group of plants. Disambig pages can easily deal with redirection of common names where needed. The reference to

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for itself. My reading of the RfC above is that grass is not synonymous with poaceae, so a redirect from the latter to the former is imprecise; very well, but then the articles should be separate. As I see,

3278: 2056: 2868:- A split article would be very confusing with the potential for considerable overlap. The current article brings together all the relevant information in one place. I could envisage an article such as 3293: 2953:, and probably others. I don't think the existence of a plant known as "blue eyed grass" settles everything, so I'm not firmly attached to "a redirect to Poaceae is the only possible thing to put at 2916:- I do support the idea of improving pages for Turf or Lawn, but a redirect to Turf or Lawn I oppose. Linking from the word "grass" to Turf or Lawns would be overlinking in most circumstances - per 2649:, as many of them have will have more suitable targets. There are currently 3,936 such links, though the scale shouldn't be as gargantuan as it seems: there are, for example, 864 links of the type 3246: 1282: 35: 624:

Yes, more and more people are using Poaceae, particularly in North America, but it would be more accurate to say Poaceae( alternatively known as Gramineae). The two names are equally correct.

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Has anyone heard that the genus Zea was moved to Zaeceae? I was told this, but I'm having trouble confirming it. All accounts of Zeaceae that I can find show it as a synonym for Poaceae. ++

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OK, looks like this has been fixed here... although some of the other grass-related pages (e.g., the page for Arundinoideae) are now inconsistent with the subfamilies presented in this page...

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refers to a clade in Poales and could either link to that page or an own article. Keeping "Poaceae" rather than the common name as title seems to be in line with other plant family articles.

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is too imprecise a term to serve as an article title. Sometimes it does mean 'turf', 'lawn', etc., sometimes it means plants and species of plants. There should certainly be hatnotes as per

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There are other sources which say "wheat and grass" and similar, and this is reflected by many oppose votes here, but it is wrong to state definitively that "they are not grass themselves".

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But, as has been pointed out above, neither "grass" nor "grasses" is the English name that corresponds to "Poaceae". If you really want an English name, it should be "grass family".

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by far for these species is "grass", and I think this is so overwhelmingly obvious and ubiquitous that this should be self evident to most users. Should follow the convention of

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at the top of the discussion is irrelevant - that is simply an article about a genus and largely about the horticultural aspects of that genus. The relevant equivalent article

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That is a wholly invalid comparison. The Poaceae family contains around 12,000 separate species, collectively referred to as 'grasses'. Can you supply a valid example whereby

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should be sufficient to cover the functional/morphological group of Poaceae + Cyperaceae + Juncaceae; otherwise both of the other families have well established common names.

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should include the "Lawn and ornamental use" and "Sports turf" sections. An easy way to do the split would be to put those two sections together with a one-sentence intro.

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The "turf" section could be condensed into one paragraph in my opinion, I don't think we need details on every sport, especially as there are separate articles. Opinions?

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The opening says that Gramineae is an alternative name, which is correct. Adding "formerly" is problematic, because although very few if any botanists use this name now,

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I would like to edit this page to indicate that the family Poaceae was “formerly called Gramineae”. This is to make the information up-to-date and to reduce confusion.

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5 votes is not enough for such a fundamental page. The voting process should have been much larger, and opened up to the greater public for more comments and arguments.

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The article claims that "A multituberculate mammal with "grass-eating" adaptations seems to suggest that grasses were already around at 120 mya", but the source given (

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Yes, obviously. My point was to correct the error in the previous statement which stated falsely that rye was the primary grain used for flour production in Scotland.

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show, it's really just a collection of abstracts of other articles. I still don't think that this sense of "grass" constitutes a coherent topic for an encyclopedia.

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the merger. Note that if folks agree on the merge but disagree on which article is sunk, can they please state this rather than just scupper the proposal?

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Correction: There is no tradition of rye cultivation in Scotland. The most important cereal crops in Scotland are barley, wheat and oats in that order.

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as weeds, and there are a number of other coomon lawn species used in the region (southern California). It might even warrant a separate article,

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Would someone familiar with the details of both American and British English please explicate the typically confusing differences in terminology.

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Why, just delete the redirect markup (#redirect ]) and substitute your text just as for any other new article. No special permission needed!

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Cyperus papyrus belongs to the cyperaceae family, not the poaceae. Would it be ok to edit the date and say 2nd century instead of 2400BC?

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All of them I guess - I think the 'cultivation and use' section should deal with uses other than for food, but I know nothing about it.

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that existed at the title before 2016. Such an article will have to be about the folk notion of 'grass' (similar to what we have for

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I have also heard them referred to as grasses. I've had multiple people say to me "Did you know that bamboo is actually a grass?"

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Identification and Characterization of Shared Duplications between Rice and Wheat Provide New Insight into Grass Genome Evolution

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term "Poaceae" includes all members of the family, regardless of their habit. This is a classic case of taking one component of

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does give in exception for "Articles on groups or classes of specific things", so "Grasses" might be an acceptable alternative.

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a

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Grasses have intercalary meristems in their leaves and culms that produce new tissues at the base of blades or internodes.--

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allows it, giving "Poaceae" as an alternative name. So "Gramineae" could be sourced to Art. 18.5, but not "formerly".

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I suggest that we don't need two articles that both cover essentially the same topic, and that any useful material in

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Gramineae remains a valid alternative name for the grasses. Note that I have corrected your spelling of the name.

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I'm having trouble with grains being described in "northern Asia" (formerly "northern Eurasia") as I don't think of

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BC if the wiki article on the history of beer is to be believed). So I would suggest changing the date to that.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Genome-wide characterization of the biggest grass, bamboo, based on 10,608 putative full-length cDNA sequences

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pitches. I have already had a go at some of this - please, please help to get this article into shape.

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The name of each of the two bracts protecting each flower, internal and esternal (in italian called

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or might be an article discussing bowling greens, cricket pitches, horticultural lawns etc. etc.

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Kind of you to ask. I'm willing to trust your judgment. Thumb up. 19:49, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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It depends on what part of the world you are talking about. Many different species are used.--

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means both "some transparent material to make windows or cookware" or "any amorphous solid".

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If the articles are kept together, I would suggest at the very least a hatnote pointing to

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Bamboo the amazing grass: a guide to the diversity and study of bamboos in Southeast Asia

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Is it true that the grasses grow from the bottom, while other plants grow from the top?

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Is "corn" a British equivalent to "cereal"? Make "maize" into "maize (American English

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I would like to merge the species list of Poaceae inside the taxobox of this article...

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There are no non-Poaceae grass species, so a split on that basis would not be logical.

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when you say "grass"; they're dependent on their qualifiers blue-eyed and eel. Since

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Yes, overall, the family may be referred to as grasses. But it includes bamboos. The

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This article needs to contain information about when, where and how grass appeared.

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It would be a long list, I suspect. I just finished mowing mine, which is a mix of

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Sheep is the plural and not sheeps which is really anoying when people say that

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Specific type of lawn grass in certain areas of the world needs to be mentioned

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should be about the species, which includes most of the current content, while

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as a major wheat belt. Perhaps "Europe and western Asia" would be clearer.

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Absorption and translocation of MON 37500 in wheat and other grass species

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and not "Felis catus", and we call it a dog and not "Canis familiaris".

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have their own short articles. I am proposing to write up a section in

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Perhaps something like "primary" or "leading" crops would clarify that.

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linking to a turf page every time "grass" is mentioned in an article.

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in a small vote of 4 to 1 on 26 February 2016. The reasons are below:

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https://ezcurralab.ucr.edu/sites/default/files/2020-05/13_poaceae.pdf

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does not apply here. We already have a redirect to the Poaceae from

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Could be used as a reference for the opening paragraph of the page.

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a merger but I don't believe the resulting article should be titled

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synonymous with Poaceae) than to an area of plant-covered ground.

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are clearly not synonymous; but rather the former refers to the

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where the common name is chosen over the overtly academic name.

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if appropriate. There's no instance of "sheeps" in the article.

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Template talk:Infobox venue#Grass as a surface in sports venues

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Zea is definitely in the Poaceae, no need to mention Zeaceae --

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and the later is referring to the species. I concur that the

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so what would an article with the title "Grass" be about?

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A name given to those plants of the family Graminaceæ

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subfamily of Poaceae, and are therefore grasses. --

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