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84: 74: 53: 2182: 22: 1998: 1163: 807: 2217:." It also describes Klein disc model distances there. This is inconsistent with the metric described in the "Metric and curvature" section. I suspect that the "Distance" section was accidentally copied from another article and never updated for the model described in this article. 583: 1912:
I think that this article needs some clarification. It is too abstract and short for a real understanding. If only the specialists understand it, then it is not very useful. As a physicist, I would prefer that this work be done by a mathematician rather than by me ...
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Sometimes the Poincaré model is called the Poincaré ball model or the conformal ball model. Perhaps the Poincaré ball model is a better name than Poincaré disk model? The name "ball model" clearly shows that the article also treats the higher-dimensional cases.
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about the circle that represents the geodesic. Rotations and translations can be represented as a combination of two reflections about different geodesics. In the case of rotations, the two geodesics intersect, while in the case of translations, they do not.
2177:{\displaystyle {\frac {(1+2\mathbf {v} \cdot \mathbf {x} +\left|\mathbf {x} \right|^{2})\mathbf {v} +(1-\left|\mathbf {v} \right|^{2})\mathbf {x} }{1+2\mathbf {v} \cdot \mathbf {x} +\left|\mathbf {v} \right|^{2}\left|\mathbf {x} \right|^{2}}}.} 940: 189:
I went ahead an removed the merge tags. It still seems like there's a significant amount of overlap between the two, however, and I'm sure that each could benefit from incorporating some of that material from the other. For example, the
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article is by no means more general; in a lot of ways less general. It focuses on the hyperbolic plane, and on complex analysis. Merging the two would be difficult, and in general a bad idea, I think.
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article seems to be more general, and includes the disk model in its discussion. This article has a lot more details on that specific model, but nothing that wouldn't fit into the larger setting. --
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page simply says that the geodesics are "circular arcs whose endpoints are orthogonal to the boundary of the disk." This article goes into lots more detail, with specific equations. --
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I found the problem: the metric above is the metric of the regular surface of a hyperboloid, of which the general equation in three dimensions is
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The analog of a reflection about a line in hyperbolic space is a reflection about a geodesic, which can be represented in the model as a
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Setting a = b = c = 1 and x = x1, y = x2 we get the above metric with the coordinates of the hyperboloid (graph of the regular surface)
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One result of this is that if hyperbolic space is translated such that the origin in the unit Poincaré disk is translated to
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Given Klein's geometry program, a discussion of the isometries being Mobius transformations would be nice.
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The Poincaré metric on the other hand comes from the hyperbolic (or Minkowski) line element (or metric)
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Should the Poincaré metric article also discuss the higher-dimensional case or what is the intention?
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What is right with it? What do your variables mean? Where did you get the equation for
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model, there can be a section on higher-dimensional cases. but keep it as disk model.
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In the quotation that follows, he actually describes the 3D version of it.
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I don't understand something here, may be someone can answer this:
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This also applies for higher dimensions.(end of removed text)
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which is not the metric mentionned in the article, that is:
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There he describes a world, now known as the Poincaré disk
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The "Distance" section says "Distances in this model are
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Poincaré metric
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Poincaré metric
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Poincaré metric
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