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182:, the term "popular election" should be at least part of the title or mentioned prominently in the linked article. If you'd like to turn it into an article about what "popular election" means, that would be great. It would certainly help me! I tried hard to find a definition for "popular election" online, but surprisingly, failed miserably. I did go through all of the articles that linked here to be sure that the redirect would be okay, and fixed those that weren't. β€” 22: 71: 53: 439:
all refer to long-legged arthropods, but there is no point in creating a "broad concept" article covering that. Simply grouping them under a "Biology" heading on the DAB page is all the connection that needs to be highlighted. (Likewise, if there were songs and films called "Popular Election" to add
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I'm not sure what you mean by "the nuances of 'popular election'". Are you suggesting that each entry in the current DAB list is a separate "nuance" of a single overarching meaning? That is not the case. They are separate meanings. Treat them as totally unrelated. If you want to find out more about
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don't understand the nuances of "popular election". Obviously, you do. Would you be willing to actually summarize all that you're trying to do with "disambiguation" links and actually write an article? Then other articles can link the term "popular election", knowing there is an article there that
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applies. If your hypothetical user doesn't know what "popular election" means but does know what "universal suffrage" means, the fact that the phrase "universal suffrage" does not contain the words "popular" or "election" is not a problem. If they don't know what "universal suffrage" is, then they
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If the primary meaning of a term proposed for disambiguation is a broad concept or type of thing that is capable of being described in an article, and a substantial portion of the links asserted to be ambiguous are instances or examples of that concept or type, then the page located at that title
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To be honest, I still have a concern here. Several articles link the term "popular vote" in the manner referred to above, and those articles link to this "Popular election" article. I don't think a casual user looking for meaning for "popular vote" will get the information they seek from this
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Say I'm a user trying to figure out the term "popular election". I put that in the search box and end up here. NONE of the entries on this page have the words "popular election" in its title, so I end up frustrated and no wiser than I was. That's why there needs to be a
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I still disagree. If the existing explanations are not clear to you, maybe each can be improved by rewording; but major expansion would make it harder for a reader to zoom in on the one meaning they are interested in. No objections from me to an RFC.
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From what you say, it's clear that "popular election" has more than one meaning. All I'm saying is that there should be an article here explaining those meanings. If you still disagree with that idea, I think an RFC is the way to go. β€”
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was: "These entries really aren't related by enough unique content to make a BCA; a dab is probably the right answer". To expand on that, it appears there is little to say about "popular election" that relates these different meanings
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and the winning party is the one with the most elected members - but several articles also refer to the term "popular vote" to talk about how the overall voting went. I don't what article to use to disambiguate the term
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are US election articles, which are more likely to be "Popular vote, in an indirect election, is the number votes received in the first-phase election (if this is by universal suffrage) as opposed to the final election".
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is about "popular election", because "popular election" and "universal suffrage" are synonyms. They mean the same thing. The "broad concept" article that covers all the different meanings on the DAB would simply be
918:- and just looking at the hits I also see plenty of it's being used not as a technical term but as an adjective, as in 'this is my least popular election' and 'buttons are popular election souvenirs' 813:
A disambiguation page, because the term has multiple meanings. If someone wishes to create an article called 'popular election' and then list the article to this disambiguation page, that is alright.
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This has caused new disambiguation issues in several articles, I have found. For example, Canadian elections (federal and provincial) are indirect elections - we vote for a representative for our
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A disambiguation page. A simple re-direct would be too presumptuous about all the possible different topics someone might be looking for with the terminology. Invited to comment by Legobot.
872:- I'd think a redirect and that page have a topline pointing to 'Popular election (disambiguation)', except that on looking I see it's a mess and really disambiguation seems better for this: 899: 595:
and there are 9 others on the list I'm looking at for WikiProject Canada. Similarly, there may be as many as 45 USA articles using the term "popular vote", according to the list at
892:- only 20 out of the 319 thousand 'Popular election' hits also said 'direct election'. So I think it's a significant number but not dominant enough to get a redirect. 1037: 97: 135:"Popular election" does not necessarily mean "direct election". That is why it is a disambiguation page. If the wording of one or more entries is 624:, is the number of votes received by a party or group of candidates, as opposed to the number of seats it wins in the representative assembly" 297:
more helpful than what's here now. (The same problem exists for "popular vote"β€”none of the articles have that term in its title, either.) β€”
588: 93: 78: 58: 139:, then improve that. But making it a redirect to one of its multiple meanings is worse than confusing; in many cases it is plain wrong. 154: 596: 773: 754: 741: 728: 718: 705: 580: 293:
here, to explain at least the very basics of what the term means or could mean. It could be just a stub, and it would be
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is 'Popular vote' - google got 1M hits and 'Popular election' only got 319 thousand and 'Direct election' 399 thousand.
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article/page, as it currently stands. I will be interested to read the opinions of other editors about this.
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How did you arrive at this page? Did you type "popular election" in the search-box or did you click on a link?
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will explain the different meanings and ways it is used. It would be a service to the encyclopedia. β€”
883: 849: 359: 345: 833: 784: 765: 516:; none of the alternatives in this dab page seem to make sense for this situation. Suggestions? 328:
article to see if it's relevant. I don't see the frustration. Do you envisage that a user reading
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http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_United_States
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will hit CTRL+F to search for "popular election", and stop confused when they find no matches?
908:- I've not seen a cite to a consensus in Political Science, if there is one. Frankly reading 320: 666: 545:
I think this needs to be an article, as it's definitely not a decent dab page. See above. β€”
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just tells me it's complicated and lots of various labels & multiple meanings ...
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was on a list of dab pages with lots of incoming links (they should have none), at
208:: Well, neither. I sort of specialize in disambiguation pages; I got here because 440:
to this DAB, then the existing ones would be grouped under a "Voting" header.)
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Disambig - BUT it might have potential as Popular vote vs electoral college.
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if the term being disambiguated is actually described in the target article.
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Popular Election (Disambiguation) and Popular Election.
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be an article, a disambiguation page, or a redirect? β€”
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also made similar points in the previous discussion. β€”
96:, where you can join the project or contribute to the 174:This isn't a dab page. A dab page is meant to be a 86:pages on Knowledge. If you wish to help, you can 982:, that doesn't really help. It can't be both. β€” 382:. I went to every one of those articles and I 960:Both. A disambugiation page and an article. 683:This question follows from the discussion at 266:: {{Redirect|Popular election||Popular vote}} 8: 82:, an attempt to structure and organize all 415:. An article that covers all the meanings 47: 92:attached to this talk page, or visit the 32:does not require a rating on Knowledge's 365:should be an article describing it, and 311:You seem to believe that every entry on 49: 661:RFC: what sort of page should this be? 363: 349: 748:reverted to the dab page and started 178:, not a smorgasbord of meanings. 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"what evidence is there of a lack of primary topic to the term ?"
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