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generous, a misunderstanding by some past editor of the change in usage of "libertarian" in the US, where the association between libertarianism and socialism held until the 1970s, but I find the use of "decentralist" as indicative of past editors desire to "claim" him as "one of theirs". Is this switching of terminology intentional?
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Hello Czar. I'll be picking up the GA review. I can understand that the previous reviewer passed without comment, as the article is in good shape. I can do some nitpicking with respect to criterion 1 and criterion 4. The level is English required to be able to understand this article is quite high,
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It's not quite clear what relation the sentence (Goodman was deferred and rejected from the World War II draft.) has to the previous sentence. If it's just some background about something happening before Partisan review removed him, you could put it in a different tense: "Goodman himself had been
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I've changed the status of this nomination to "second opinion" in the hopes that a new reviewer can be found that way, since the original reviewer withdrew after the premature passage was reverted. Even though they then came back and repassed it a few days later, the new review was done so quickly
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Reading the article, I've come across what appears to be a frequent vacilating between describing the politics of Goodman as analogous to that of modern libertarian politics in the United States and that of bog-standard Anarchism (social anarchism, to be clear). This appears to be, at most
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Goodman's strange celebrity was tied to his physical presence, not the charisma of his platform or gadfly personality. While his celebrity left public circulation as quickly as it came, his principles and outré proposals retained their stature as a vision of human potential -:
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Is it not clear that giving his WWII draft status is related to the previous sentence's mention of his draft avoidance advocacy? Yes, it's background info and without the draft avoidance connection, it likely wouldn't warrant mention.
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and I believe we could serve our readers better by using more everyday language (or, when impossible, linking to wiktionary). It may be an overbroad interpretation of criterion 1, so don't feel forced to change all of them.
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It seems to pass. I learned a lot about him from reading this wikipedia article. It links to a external video which is useful. It also has a good layout, and has notes, further reading and external links.
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The section is "Life" and the subsection is on the "Social criticism" era of his life. It ends with his death. This is common for biography sections. His death doesn't warrant a separate section.
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Goodman was known for his self-expression and this is sourced to his literary executor, the person most qualified to say that Goodman was discouraged by lack of wider recognition
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So, you either did not see my question or you affirmatively chose to ignore it. Which? I will assume good faith. (Wink, wink.) I will repeat my question.
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As the New Left was born with the Berkeley Free Speech Movement's proactively involved and democratic dialogue, Goodman became known as its philosopher -: -->
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Goodman doesn't offer a single definition of human nature, and suggests that it needs no definition for others to that some activities are against it -: -->
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to include the details of his death under a section called "Social criticism". Once again, I will break it out. Thanks for playing.
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that it would be better if an experienced reviewer checked the article against the criteria (just a quick look finds issues with
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There's no reason to break it out. It naturally follows that the last sentences in the Life section would be about his death.
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It is referenced with reliable sources. Though there isn’t much, most are from the same books (Mattson, Smith, Widmer, etc).
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should this be in wikivoice? I find it too celebratory to be said without explicit attribution. Why 'strange celebrity'?
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Great! I've requested Hovland from the library and will let you know what it says about Goodman when I recieve it.
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How does it naturally follow that the last sentences in the Social criticism section would be about his death ...?
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deferred and rejected from the World War II draft". Or is his rejection part of the advocacy in some manner?
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open bisexual is a phrase I'm not familiar with for describing bisexual and in an open relationship
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naturally follow that the last sentences in the Social criticism section would be about his death
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words. There may be a slight bias in favour towards him, because I’m not seeing much bad things.
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I think it passes. It is quite a good article. I’m not seeing any problems with the article.
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Citation needed tag to be addressed, would also like opinions on the tone (narrative).
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Alice and Percy are discussed later in the article, hence the introduction, whereas
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I will also answer my own question (to help you out, here): It makes absolutely
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There isn’t much images, except for the one in the lead which is a fair use image
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Spot-checked a couple of sources, and text-source integrity seems spotless.
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link common-law marriage, rather than common law to help reader understand
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Adam and His Work: a Bibliography of Sources by and about Paul Goodman
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includes a list of musical settings to Goodman. Another item in the
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again, this is inner thoughts, so should be attributed / weakened.
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I thought I checked there! Yes, those seem like fitting places.
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should we say this in wikivoice? Do we know his inner thoughts?
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how come two of his siblings are mentioned, but not the third?
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Ridiculous. That section is "Social criticism". How does it
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It is broad, it covers his life, personal life, reception, etc
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his lack of wider recognition weathered his resolve -: -->
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Under "Social criticism". I broke it out. Thanks.
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that forms the basis of his legacy (no need for today)
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sorry, I've been ill. Hope to get brains back soon.
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