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That is good and from what I can see it seems like a reliable source. Now we have the situation where different reliable sources have different heights. Do you have more sources for 6feet so that we can say that this actually is his height, as it is know it is "word against word" and height can not
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Not any other than my own functioning eyes, plus the Mail Online article linked above . I'm pretty sure that once in his life McNair was 172 cm, but like everyone else he's not stopped growing after being measured. So it seems strange and factually wrong to keep the oldest source, especially when
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I haven't tweeked anything! I've withdrawn this proposal because there is no longer a height to worry about. Yor remark is very rude about my suggestion to comply with
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