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yes I agree with that. So you wanted either of us to copy and paste the squads straight from their respective team pages and into the 2018 team squads page. I was also thinking that we should make a table template for the squads like they’ve done for the IPL squads on their pages because it makes it
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Ok and what about players' salary. Should we write category like
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